I've never played it.That would be cool though.
A missing element in Next-Gen games.
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I've never played it.That would be cool though.
MGS4 has wind
I'm surprised nobody mentioned MGS3 from last gen.
The Boss battle had impressive wind on flowers IIRC.
And, I don't think you need collusion detection to simulate realistic wind on vegetation or weather effects.
Mentioning Ageia makes me produce some winds here...
Sid Meier's Pirates had wind
It's pretty easy: have a global wind direction and use that direction to sway vegetation and trees in a vertex shader, or move some particle systems accordingly. Wind strength will dictate the amount.
Even insects are not that hard: in Black&White 2 you could zoom in to the ground and see ants moving around
Fu3lFr3nzy
Regular
I recommend watching this video because it clearly shows some kind of entity making the leaves of plants and trees move
Im not sure which videos you were watching, because this one is quite old (from last year's E3) and it already debunks your
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I don't think it's totally useless for FPS, I could see it affecting gameplay positively in a couple of ways.
The movement of trees/grass/dust would mask motion of others on the screen.
It would mask the sound of footsteps, reloading, etc.
i wouldnt really call that wind, true its the easiest method (+ prolly what most games that ppl have mentioned here use) but its a terrible hack, unlike gravity which is a constant 9.81 downward, wind constantly varys in a place over time WRT dir + strength.
a better method is to have a 2d (or 3d even) windgrid, where u look up at a spot in the world to find the winddirection + force, various methods u could use to control the wind forces eg methods similar to fluid simulation.
I'm no game developer but I'm guessing that anything that is put into a game that uses any or a lot of resources has to be justified beyond the fact that it adds an element of realism. Wind wouldn't be free so in order to justify the cost they would want to integrate it into the game play somehow which might not go with their original plans ,and in the process of integrating it in way that suits fun game play they might risk turning it into a caricature. Which defeats the purpose of it adding realism.
I would like to see a more advanced physics model in place for bullets that take gravity and wind etc into account. Max Payne and Max Payne 2 are the only games I can think of that actually fired bullets from every single weapon. Quite a few games do have those energy weapons and such, but that's just because it makes it look cool. I'd rather see this implemented in games where conventional guns are the main weapons. It may not be as fun or appropriate for all games.
archangelmorph
Veteran
Fluid simulation??
I'd say a much better idea would be to use Fran's method and then just calculate the global wind direction+strength based on systems such as Poincaré–Bendixson theorem for dynamic systems, Anosov diffeomorphisms and chaotic attractors.. I'm not sure how computationally heavy this would be but i'm sure some reasonable hacks/approxmations could be made to get the performance up and give you relatively realistic wind..
Why? When the wind blows, unless it's a real gale with direction, the response is a perceived random wobbling of foliage. The vegetation motion doesn't show direction a lot of the time, so why go to all the effort to calculate it? Have trees that wobble, and a wind direction force for physics objects. You could map that to different locations, so an alleyway has different wind to a field. But at the moment wind has very little presence at all. Keeping it simple and having it there is far more important than having it accurate! Wait until the wind is affecting objects before worrying about any inaccuracies in that model.
Absolutely, you can complicate things as much as you like having time, but... at the end of the day, if that terrible hack looks good enough it's good enough. And you can use the time you save to add something else to the game that is more noticeable, in my opinion.
Said that, it's pretty easy to add wind parameters to a set of environment parameters (lighting, tonemapping, exposure, bloom and so on) that level designers can paint on the landscape to achieve something similiar to what you suggest. This way artists can have total control over wind parameters (and the other parameters as well), which is something they love, and I can go to the pub earlier, which is something I don't love being italian
