I didn't even know there was a Digital Copy option! Where does one learn about this? On the disc? The box? Is this a US only thing?
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Most blu-rays don't have it, some do though like Juno. It's usually advertised right on the packaging fairly clearly so it's hard to miss. Maybe it is only a US thing. Here's a pic of the Juno box:
http://64.13.248.103/images/blu-juno-lg.jpg
Says it right at the top. I don't know if it would matter to you though since I don't think they work on a PS3.
There are more than one digital copy schemes. BDA has one (which is what joker454 mentioned above) that relies on Mac and PC to transfer the copy. Fox also has one ("Fox Digital Copy") for iPod that works with both DVD and Blu-ray. Sony has one for Blu-ray/PS3 to PSP too ("Portable Copy") (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2008/01/sony_makes_bluraytopsp_movie_t/). But I don't think the last one is released yet.
lol they managed to make a mess out of Managed Copy as many expected. Well done BDA and AACS! for those who followed the birth and maturation of the hi def formats will get a good chuckle out of it.
More fun: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2849 hahahaahahaha
More fun: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2849 hahahaahahaha
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Not sure what's so funny about that article but here's a longer one:
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6664863.html
... sounds just like the authorization server of a movie download service. Many thought Managed Copy would be dropped from Blu-ray altogether. Looks like it finally made it through, thanks in part to PC makers' push.
Not sure what's so funny about that article but here's a longer one:
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6664863.html
... sounds just like the authorization server of a movie download service. Many thought Managed Copy would be dropped from Blu-ray altogether. Looks like it finally made it through, thanks in part to PC makers' push.
We never saw the HD-DVD version afaik, thank god.
Right, HD-DVD was going to use whatever the AACS came up with, too.
If you want to play m2ts files through http you have to tell you webserver that m2ts is a video file.
I have also had some problems with some m2ts files, but I think this is dependent on how they are muxed....
Gradthrawn
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Likewise after I get an iPhone, I think I'll make some iPhone versions of my favorite movies to carry around with me anywhere. Ahhhh....true fair use
Fair use indeed.
What settings do you have in mind for the portable (iPhone) versions? Right now I'm debbating on whether I want to keep 3 versions of a movie around (the original rip, the re-encode, and a portable re-encode). What I would really like is a PMP that can take a nice quality video (similar to the TMPGEnc settings you posted a while ago) and play it back smoothly (letting the player do the scaling, instead of a separate re-encode). That way I could keep the original for archive purposes, and then the re-encode for everything else. I'm hoping the Zune HD will fit that bill. Its rumored to use the Tegra600/650 chipset which reportedly supports 720P VC-1 playback.Fair use indeed.
I thought about just having a single re-encoded version, instead of one re-encode and one portable re-encode, but there were some issues with that. Space of course, given that portables usually use flash memory means I would not be able to fit as many movies on the phone if I didn't make portable specific versions. Plus I figured the larger files might drain the phones battery quicker, figuring that it would take more cpu grunt to decode a 3gb video file compared to a 500mb video file. I also was wondering if there would be any file size restrictions on phones/portables, like dumb 4gb max size limits, stuff like that. So I'll just make portable re-encodes.
I don't know what specs I'll use just yet for the phone re-encode, it will take some experimentation once I get one of those new iPhones models. I'll probably do it similarly to how I did it with the regular re-encodes where I made a bunch of VC-1 and h264 versions of scenes at various bitrates, and watched them to see when I could tell that there was a noticeable quality drop. I ended up with VC-1 that way since I found it would give similar quality to h264 but with smaller file sizes, and then picked my favorite bitrates from there. In this case though since it's an iPhone I'll probably stick with h264 even though the files are bigger, since I'm finding Apple products have difficultly with wmv files.
Ironically, the whole concept of Digital Copy on blu-ray would have been perfect for portables like the iPhone. The file size is small and quality was descent, and I would not have had to do anything. Alas with limited movie support and drm, it's rendered useless
Ironically, the whole concept of Digital Copy on blu-ray would have been perfect for portables like the iPhone. The file size is small and quality was descent, and I would not have had to do anything. Alas with limited movie support and drm, it's rendered useless
Managed Copy should solve the limited movie support problem.
As for DRM, it will probably depend on the studios and player vendors. This URL summarize the various digital copy schemes pretty well: http://www.manifest-tech.com/media_dvd/dvd_digital_copy.htm
Hopefully, the standardized Managed Copy would simplify the experience further.
LOL! Beverly Hills Cop 2.
RobertR1, MMC is now in AACS. They are saying that virtually all movies will support MMC after 1Q 2010. So it doesn't matter if it's mandatory or not.
Since some studios do not have the rights to allow consumer copies. Forcing "Mandatory" Managed Copy would have prevented them from releasing the movie on Blu-ray right ?
Since some studios do not have the rights to allow consumer copies. Forcing "Mandatory" Managed Copy would have prevented them from releasing the movie on Blu-ray right ?
Managed Copy was always in AACS. It was just an "interim" agreement that was done so media could be brought to the market as back room debates were taking place between some studios wanting to make it a viable feature and others wanting to make it a consumer deterrent (with price and restrictions). Thus the mandatory removed and media wasn't serialized from day 1. What we have now is the final agreement which states that yeah, you need to serialize and support MC on titles but hey, pick and choose how you want to work the pricing. I don't know what the technical restrictions will be and if they'll vary from studio to studio also but I'm sure we'll learn about that in coming months. Alas, because there was an interim agreement, we now have the hardware incompatibility issue with MC going forward. Part of the final agreement also seems to introduce the sunset of analog connections. So ICT (Image Contraint Token) making a comeback perhaps? We'll see....
As I stated in my self deleted post (because I'm sick of getting back into the hi def technical details and technicalities), AnyDVD is what MMC should have been from day 1. When the time comes and I'm ready for a home media server, I won't be looking at AACS/BDA/DVD Forum (for those who still love to drag HD DVD into this!) for my permission slip.
Okay, but forcing "Mandatory" Managed Copy won't solve the problem either since it can't be implemented universally due to rights issues outside of MMC shennigans.
So the serial number requirements made existing standalone Blu-ray players obsolete ? >_<
As for AnyDVD, I'd be surprised if the studios adopt such a free and open scheme. Afterall, it's full resolution. Even Steve Jobs commented that he hoped it didn't happen. As long as the DRM is not worse than the digital movie downloads, it'd be like buying a movie from an eStore. I think market forces will decide where things go from here.
So the serial number requirements made existing standalone Blu-ray players obsolete ? >_<
As for AnyDVD, I'd be surprised if the studios adopt such a free and open scheme. Afterall, it's full resolution. Even Steve Jobs commented that he hoped it didn't happen. As long as the DRM is not worse than the digital movie downloads, it'd be like buying a movie from an eStore. I think market forces will decide where things go from here.
The users have proven to the studioes that movies without copy protection will be spread like wildfire, the only way to get ANYDVD freedom is to break the law and use ANYDVD
Gradthrawn
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Interesting option for the re-encoding process after its ripped. A little pricey for home use ($199) and a spare PS3 might be the best option (instead of using your primary one), but for those heavily into ripping and re-encoding it may be worth a look. Some short hands on impressions I was able to find. I'm not sure if it allows the use of more than 1 PS3, and the maximum encodable bitrate for the Personal edition is little low (15Mbps). Nonetheless, would be interesting to test and compare the results.
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It's a shame the only HD source he used was mpeg2 which tends to re-encode somewhat faster. I was hoping he would have used an avc/vc1 source, unless their software only supports mpeg2 source
I would definitely buy something like this though, but I want it to work with Vegas 9 and support both avc/vc1 sources, and vc1 output.Gradthrawn
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It's a shame the only HD source he used was mpeg2 which tends to re-encode somewhat faster. I was hoping he would have used an avc/vc1 source, unless their software only supports mpeg2 source
Yeah, format support looks limited. From the comparison chart, it looks like both the Personal and Pro version of CE-10 only support MPEG2 and AVI ("Support Uncompressed AVI (HDYC, YVY) input. Canopus HQ Codec and other AVI format may input by install DirectShow filter") for input. And H.264 and MPEG2 for output.
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