Nvidia GeForce RTX 50-series Blackwell reviews
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DavidGraham
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PhysX CPU testing with 9800X3D and RTX 5080 in Mirror's Edge and Borderlands 2. Utterly shameful.
Yeah they do.
DegustatoR
Legend
Yes, old drivers also work on Kepler cards but new ones don't. Your point?
New drivers support Maxwell and up including 32-bit CUDA & PhysX. Driver support didn't disappear anywhere either.
DegustatoR
Legend
And new CUDA support only 64 bit starting with Blackwell. If I were to guess driver support for everything pre-Turing will also stop at some point in the near future. What is so new about that?
Nothing? That's not the point, as you know. The point has been made clear already in this thread
DegustatoR
Legend
So what is the point? A company must support a deprecated API for eternity even if the platform it runs on is unsupported now so that a dozen (and I'm being generous) of 10YO+ games would still work with all features they have?
Actual versions 4-5 are, these older ones which were bought with Ageia (v2) or launched soon after (v3) are not however.
GhostofWar
Regular
I've seen 3 5070ti's models that were at msrp down here in aus, everything is sold out except one which is hitting 5080 msrp. Guess have to wait for stock refreshes to see if the msrp ones come back in and stay at the price.
In Finland 5070Ti MSRP was set to 924 Euros (~$770 when excluding 25.5% vat) and those vanished so fast that could not see any. However non-MSRP ones are not flying from the shelves here. Found at least two retailers who have lots of 5070 Ti's available and to be shipped immediately. It might come down to a price why these are not selling like hot cakes... Average price for the AIB cards which are available is 1299,90 Euros. By ripping off vat it comes down to 1035 Euros, which again according to xe.com is 1,084 US dollars and 39 cents.
And by looking single retailer stock counts, 2 cards have around dozen items available and third one states "more than 25".
So either the availability is better with these or the pricing have found the upper limit, or bit both.
My 3070Ti, even though this would double the performance (in some cases) without doubling the price, will keep serving me. For me the price is just too much.
And by looking single retailer stock counts, 2 cards have around dozen items available and third one states "more than 25".
So either the availability is better with these or the pricing have found the upper limit, or bit both.
My 3070Ti, even though this would double the performance (in some cases) without doubling the price, will keep serving me. For me the price is just too much.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Spotted with Missing ROPs, Performance Loss Confirmed
TechPowerUp has discovered that there are NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 graphics cards in retail circulation that come with too few render units, which lowers performance. Zotac's GeForce RTX 5090 Solid comes with fewer ROPs than it should—168 are enabled, instead of the 176 that are part of the RTX...
At least some of Zotac 5090s are missing 8 ROPs
I think Nvidia needs to open source all GPU PhysX up until the cut off date which is no longer supported by RTX 5000. I am going to push hard for that publicly.
As the backward compatability performance on RTX 5000+ into the future is completely unacceptable in these classic PC titles.
While it is completely ironic that this makes dedicated physX GPUs a real option again, it is not good for Backward Compatability in general. We should want these games preserved as much as possible in a forward looking way without massive compromises to playability. That is the PCs strength as a platform and we should push its caretakers (Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Microsoft) to make sure that is the case.
The same reason people should light fires underneath intels feet when its drivers are poor in DX11 or DX9 titles.
As the backward compatability performance on RTX 5000+ into the future is completely unacceptable in these classic PC titles.
While it is completely ironic that this makes dedicated physX GPUs a real option again, it is not good for Backward Compatability in general. We should want these games preserved as much as possible in a forward looking way without massive compromises to playability. That is the PCs strength as a platform and we should push its caretakers (Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Microsoft) to make sure that is the case.
The same reason people should light fires underneath intels feet when its drivers are poor in DX11 or DX9 titles.
Definitely agree with the general sentiment and I say that it really extends beyond PhysX itself and should include 32-bit CUDA in general.
The proprietary nature of the technology is obviously a great benefit for a vendor like Nvidia. But its incredible success over more open competitors also leaves Nvidia with a clear responsibility.
It seems entirely reasonable to me that customers should expect Nvidia to be the best steward it can be, and reward their buy-in with nothing less than extraordinary effort to keep some sort of backwards compatibility alive. Even if 32-bit CUDA is no longer actively developed, surely it can't be that hard to support managing multiple versions of the library being present on a system, preloading older versions in individual binaries?
How does GPUZ determine things like ROP count?NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Spotted with Missing ROPs, Performance Loss Confirmed
TechPowerUp has discovered that there are NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 graphics cards in retail circulation that come with too few render units, which lowers performance. Zotac's GeForce RTX 5090 Solid comes with fewer ROPs than it should—168 are enabled, instead of the 176 that are part of the RTX...www.techpowerup.com
At least some of Zotac 5090s are missing 8 ROPs
Okay I should have read the whole article:
My GTX970 is peeking at me from it's box in the corner of my room.
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digitalwanderer
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Nm
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Spotted with Missing ROPs, Performance Loss Confirmed
TechPowerUp has discovered that there are NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 graphics cards in retail circulation that come with too few render units, which lowers performance. Zotac's GeForce RTX 5090 Solid comes with fewer ROPs than it should—168 are enabled, instead of the 176 that are part of the RTX...
At least some of Zotac 5090s are missing 8 ROPs
Apparently they've now also found one 5090 FE from Nvidia itself, one MSI 5090D and one Manli 5090D that show the issue.
On the flip side, Computerbase (German) reports that their sample of the Zotac Solid (the original report) shows the full 176 ROPs.
So, multiple vendors affected and it can't just be a BIOS bug. What are we looking at here?
Potato Head
Newcomer
I’m betting a driver bug.