Musk bought Twitter, what hasn't gone wrong?

Why on hell would you give 56B to someone who runs a money losing business ?

The compensation package is from Tesla not Twitter.

From Tesla's shareholder's perspective the company's valuation has increased by x20 and more than $1T since 2018 when the package was initially proposed.

From what I understand shareholders overwhelming voted to approve it, and retail shareholders as well at a higher proportion than insitutional so it wasn't a case of insitutions overriding smaller retail shareholders. From what I understand shareholders also they rejected other proposals by the board, so it's hard to really say they were forced by or coerced by the board to vote in favor.

Also the $56b number is a bit misleading because from what I understand it was a fixed stock option offering of 304m shares proposed in 2018 when Tesla's stock price was much lower.

For the record I am not a direct Tesla shareholder (although I have broad ETFs/Funds that hold Tesla).
 
This christmas we must send her a basket of chocolates
Indeed.
The law is rather unfair and judges know this, the richer you are the more you can win, you can use it to hamstring your opponents and burn their cash and money.

Musk complains about this shit, but he wields the law to tear up his opponents too. With unlimited cash, he can do this forever. You can see this with what he is doing against OpenAI. He’s trying to ensure that they can never make $$ as a non profit. But they need more funding to continue developing, as the capital costs are just insane. He’s got them tied up while he tries to catch up with xAI

She, doesn’t let people be above the law, and he cannot remove her (though, since joining with Trump he may be able to). What is more likely to happen is that he moves his court case to Texas where he has support instead of Delaware, where she resides. Another judge will rule in his favour there likely.

When you’ve got unlimited funds, you hire the best, you get the best options, you are always likely to win. That’s why only the poorer lose in this system.
 
I got locked out of my account. LOL. It's a lame platform anyway.

The DM system (when it works) isn't that good, as the sentence you compose is on the one line, and just feels awkward to write. But I think a lot of users deliberately disallow private messaging.

I don't think very highly of X and Facebook anyway. I think it's just to annoy you with spam and parasite off your provided data.
 
Crikey. Where to start with Musk this past few days? He must have received a really, really sketchy batch of Special K. Either that or the long-expected psychotic breakdown has finally begun.

For those outside the UK, I presume you've heard about the crazy accusations against the Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister and one of our other ministers, Jess Phillips, accusing them of being 'genocidal rape apologists'. Or it might have been enablers. I forget.

Here in the real world, the grooming scandals aren't at all a secret. There were headlines in the newspapers, endless journalistic investigations and many documentaries broadcast on national TV about the various scandals with apologies coming from various police forces and local councils who had failed these poor children. Ultimately, there hasn't been a massive cover-up and there have been multiple enquiries carried out over the years, including an 8-year national enquiry covering all aspects of child sexual abuse, including the grooming gangs:


In the final report from this particular enquiry, Starmer is actually praised for the work he did as Director of Public Prosecutions at the time.

Thousands of offenders from across these scandals have been imprisoned.

Phillips is well-known for her work in supporting women's rights, worked for a charity which aimed to end domestic violence against women and children and was a 'victims champion' for various groups including groomed children.

Now, I don't like either of these two a great deal, truth be told, but you'd have to be an absolute lunatic to throw baseless and deeply stupid insults at them.

All because Musk has apparently taken a liking to Tiny Tommeh Ten Names. Sorry, 'Tommy Robinson', née Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. A far-right racist grifter and career-criminal who is, unsurprisingly, currently in prison. Not a free speech campaigner, a grifter who deliberately and repeatedly broke the law, putting abuse prosecutions at risk. He's a horrible little scumbag. Absolute vermin.

Now, the grooming gangs in some of the towns were mostly comprised of people with Asian (i.e. Pakistani/Bangladeshi) ethnicity, but elsewhere in the county, other gangs were mostly white. White girls the usual victims. The racists like to claim the victims were picked because they were white girls (I suspect this is what has triggered Elmo) but, quite simply, it's because they were neglected children who came from difficult backgrounds. This ultimately meant that they were out on their own late at night, susceptible to being plied with drink and drugs and therefore easily abused. Just the same as the girls who were targetted by the entirely white groups of abusers. The scandals came because the local police didn't believe their reports, or failed to investigate properly.

That's some background to Elmo's latest ignorant craziness.

Musk must be really, really bored sitting on his arse doing nothing in Mar a Lago, shitposting left, right and centre. His latest is to promote Andrew Tate, who is somebody even worse than Tiny Tommeh. OK, the various rape and trafficking charges against Tate and his brother have yet to go to court, but you'd think that Musk, suddenly mounting an angry campaign against historical rapes (which have already been prosecuted), wouldn't be quite to keen to associate himself with such a sketchy character?

In other social media wingbattery, I see that Zuckerberg has noticed which way the wind is blowing in the US and has now solemnly announced that facebook is going to stop fact-checking stuff, in the name of 'free speech'. Imagine being so, so rich that you really couldn't ever spend the amount of money you already have, but so gutless that you'll bend the knee to ensure you can keep getting ever-richer. Anybody else suspect that 'free speech' will be a definition which moves considerably over the course of the next few years?

Obviously, Elmo is by far the worst of these guys, but Zuckerberg and Bezos really aren't that far behind in the soulless oligarch field.

What a time to be alive.
 
Crikey. Where to start with Musk this past few days? He must have received a really, really sketchy batch of Special K. Either that or the long-expected psychotic breakdown has finally begun.

For those outside the UK, I presume you've heard about the crazy accusations against the Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister and one of our other ministers, Jess Phillips, accusing them of being 'genocidal rape apologists'. Or it might have been enablers. I forget.

Here in the real world, the grooming scandals aren't at all a secret. There were headlines in the newspapers, endless journalistic investigations and many documentaries broadcast on national TV about the various scandals with apologies coming from various police forces and local councils who had failed these poor children. Ultimately, there hasn't been a massive cover-up and there have been multiple enquiries carried out over the years, including an 8-year national enquiry covering all aspects of child sexual abuse, including the grooming gangs:


In the final report from this particular enquiry, Starmer is actually praised for the work he did as Director of Public Prosecutions at the time.

Thousands of offenders from across these scandals have been imprisoned.

Phillips is well-known for her work in supporting women's rights, worked for a charity which aimed to end domestic violence against women and children and was a 'victims champion' for various groups including groomed children.

Now, I don't like either of these two a great deal, truth be told, but you'd have to be an absolute lunatic to throw baseless and deeply stupid insults at them.

All because Musk has apparently taken a liking to Tiny Tommeh Ten Names. Sorry, 'Tommy Robinson', née Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. A far-right racist grifter and career-criminal who is, unsurprisingly, currently in prison. Not a free speech campaigner, a grifter who deliberately and repeatedly broke the law, putting abuse prosecutions at risk. He's a horrible little scumbag. Absolute vermin.

Now, the grooming gangs in some of the towns were mostly comprised of people with Asian (i.e. Pakistani/Bangladeshi) ethnicity, but elsewhere in the county, other gangs were mostly white. White girls the usual victims. The racists like to claim the victims were picked because they were white girls (I suspect this is what has triggered Elmo) but, quite simply, it's because they were neglected children who came from difficult backgrounds. This ultimately meant that they were out on their own late at night, susceptible to being plied with drink and drugs and therefore easily abused. Just the same as the girls who were targetted by the entirely white groups of abusers. The scandals came because the local police didn't believe their reports, or failed to investigate properly.

That's some background to Elmo's latest ignorant craziness.

Musk must be really, really bored sitting on his arse doing nothing in Mar a Lago, shitposting left, right and centre. His latest is to promote Andrew Tate, who is somebody even worse than Tiny Tommeh. OK, the various rape and trafficking charges against Tate and his brother have yet to go to court, but you'd think that Musk, suddenly mounting an angry campaign against historical rapes (which have already been prosecuted), wouldn't be quite to keen to associate himself with such a sketchy character?

In other social media wingbattery, I see that Zuckerberg has noticed which way the wind is blowing in the US and has now solemnly announced that facebook is going to stop fact-checking stuff, in the name of 'free speech'. Imagine being so, so rich that you really couldn't ever spend the amount of money you already have, but so gutless that you'll bend the knee to ensure you can keep getting ever-richer. Anybody else suspect that 'free speech' will be a definition which moves considerably over the course of the next few years?

Obviously, Elmo is by far the worst of these guys, but Zuckerberg and Bezos really aren't that far behind in the soulless oligarch field.

What a time to be alive.

Very well said.
 
In other social media wingbattery, I see that Zuckerberg has noticed which way the wind is blowing in the US and has now solemnly announced that facebook is going to stop fact-checking stuff, in the name of 'free speech'. Imagine being so, so rich that you really couldn't ever spend the amount of money you already have, but so gutless that you'll bend the knee to ensure you can keep getting ever-richer. Anybody else suspect that 'free speech' will be a definition which moves considerably over the course of the next few years?
I don't know in other countries, but in mine, FB is already a cesspool of right wingers weirdos just insulting everyone in the most pathetic and childish way.
Once one of my (no more) friends celebrated publicly on FB when russians destroyed a pediatric hospital with the children and medics inside. She justified it with something like "it was a secret base", or hidden in the fourth floor there where nazi atacms, which meant for each single system 3 big trucks with huge trailers. And the children were nazi anyway, so they were just killed in advance, therefore no problem. She's of course a novax and both anti nazi and anti jews. She's very versatile in shit stuff.
Anyway, her post was fact checked and marked, but nobody cared less. At most, it confirmed that jews wanted to hide the truth.
It's all useless.
 
I don't know in other countries, but in mine, FB is already a cesspool of right wingers weirdos just insulting everyone in the most pathetic and childish way.
Once one of my (no more) friends celebrated publicly on FB when russians destroyed a pediatric hospital with the children and medics inside. She justified it with something like "it was a secret base", or hidden in the fourth floor there where nazi atacms, which meant for each single system 3 big trucks with huge trailers. And the children were nazi anyway, so they were just killed in advance, therefore no problem. She's of course a novax and both anti nazi and anti jews. She's very versatile in shit stuff.
Anyway, her post was fact checked and marked, but nobody cared less. At most, it confirmed that jews wanted to hide the truth.
It's all useless.
It's sad in an era where we have the easiest access to information ever it's turned into this, I don't know how it's fixed. You can give someone an address to verified real information and the people lapping up the false information accuse you of fake news or something and call you or the source the liar.

I mean we have people who will tell you history that's true that people lived through is not real, good luck not repeating history when large segments of society don't even believe it. Sucks for people who don't want to be sheep but the sheep are slowly winning, and by that I mean happy to lose what little control over our lives we have left.

As you can tell, Elmo must be very serious about the protection of exploited children.
I think his home country is still a tier 2 rating on the U.S human trafficking watch list and he's worried about child abuse, he could tell me the sky is blue, water is wet and grass is green and I would still need to check another source.
 
Crikey. Where to start with Musk this past few days? He must have received a really, really sketchy batch of Special K. Either that or the long-expected psychotic breakdown has finally begun.

For those outside the UK, I presume you've heard about the crazy accusations against the Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister and one of our other ministers, Jess Phillips, accusing them of being 'genocidal rape apologists'. Or it might have been enablers. I forget.

Here in the real world, the grooming scandals aren't at all a secret. There were headlines in the newspapers, endless journalistic investigations and many documentaries broadcast on national TV about the various scandals with apologies coming from various police forces and local councils who had failed these poor children. Ultimately, there hasn't been a massive cover-up and there have been multiple enquiries carried out over the years, including an 8-year national enquiry covering all aspects of child sexual abuse, including the grooming gangs:


In the final report from this particular enquiry, Starmer is actually praised for the work he did as Director of Public Prosecutions at the time.

Thousands of offenders from across these scandals have been imprisoned.

Phillips is well-known for her work in supporting women's rights, worked for a charity which aimed to end domestic violence against women and children and was a 'victims champion' for various groups including groomed children.

Now, I don't like either of these two a great deal, truth be told, but you'd have to be an absolute lunatic to throw baseless and deeply stupid insults at them.

All because Musk has apparently taken a liking to Tiny Tommeh Ten Names. Sorry, 'Tommy Robinson', née Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. A far-right racist grifter and career-criminal who is, unsurprisingly, currently in prison. Not a free speech campaigner, a grifter who deliberately and repeatedly broke the law, putting abuse prosecutions at risk. He's a horrible little scumbag. Absolute vermin.

Now, the grooming gangs in some of the towns were mostly comprised of people with Asian (i.e. Pakistani/Bangladeshi) ethnicity, but elsewhere in the county, other gangs were mostly white. White girls the usual victims. The racists like to claim the victims were picked because they were white girls (I suspect this is what has triggered Elmo) but, quite simply, it's because they were neglected children who came from difficult backgrounds. This ultimately meant that they were out on their own late at night, susceptible to being plied with drink and drugs and therefore easily abused. Just the same as the girls who were targetted by the entirely white groups of abusers. The scandals came because the local police didn't believe their reports, or failed to investigate properly.

That's some background to Elmo's latest ignorant craziness.

Musk must be really, really bored sitting on his arse doing nothing in Mar a Lago, shitposting left, right and centre. His latest is to promote Andrew Tate, who is somebody even worse than Tiny Tommeh. OK, the various rape and trafficking charges against Tate and his brother have yet to go to court, but you'd think that Musk, suddenly mounting an angry campaign against historical rapes (which have already been prosecuted), wouldn't be quite to keen to associate himself with such a sketchy character?

In other social media wingbattery, I see that Zuckerberg has noticed which way the wind is blowing in the US and has now solemnly announced that facebook is going to stop fact-checking stuff, in the name of 'free speech'. Imagine being so, so rich that you really couldn't ever spend the amount of money you already have, but so gutless that you'll bend the knee to ensure you can keep getting ever-richer. Anybody else suspect that 'free speech' will be a definition which moves considerably over the course of the next few years?

Obviously, Elmo is by far the worst of these guys, but Zuckerberg and Bezos really aren't that far behind in the soulless oligarch field.

What a time to be alive.

Not Asians. Call them what they are. The reports state there was "nervousness" about race and "political incorrectness" when it came to investigating. And I'm not even going to post all the sick shit those creatures did that the police and politicians didn't want to do anything about. A quick google will provide many articles mentioning just that.

Yet two tier Kier doesn't want to investigate further (why wouldn't you want to investigate EVERYTHING regarding this?) but has no problems sending people to jail, even threatening them for having an opinion, when they speak out because they don't want their kids to be abused.

I think its hard to claim the UK government is doing anywhere close to all it can do.
 
Not Asians. Call them what they are. The reports state there was "nervousness" about race and "political incorrectness" when it came to investigating. And I'm not even going to post all the sick shit those creatures did that the police and politicians didn't want to do anything about. A quick google will provide many articles mentioning just that.

Yet two tier Kier doesn't want to investigate further (why wouldn't you want to investigate EVERYTHING regarding this?) but has no problems sending people to jail, even threatening them for having an opinion, when they speak out because they don't want their kids to be abused.

I think its hard to claim the UK government is doing anywhere close to all it can do.

Those Asian people from the Asian part of Asia, you mean? Last time I looked, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India were parts of Asia. Those particular grooming gangs were dominated by people who hailed from those parts of the world (or whose parents did). What part of those Asian countries isn't Asian enough for you?

As for your other comments, let me just note:

THERE WAS AN 8 YEAR ENQUIRY INTO CHILD ABUSE OF ALL FORMS UNDER PREVIOUS GOVERNMENTS WHICH REPORTED IN 2022 AND NONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

Is that enough of an enquiry for you? There have also been other local enquiries into the scandals in Oldham, Rochdale and, I think, Rotherham. These are all historical dating back many years. Everything is known. Apologies have been made by the authorities who failed these poor children. Hundreds of perpetrators have been prosecuted and jailed. You can't turn back time to stop them happening, but would hope that the authorities know enough not to allow them to occur again.

Why is this suddenly urgent news, other than the fact that the world's richest man keeps pushing misinformation about it, aided and abetted by far-right opportunists and outright racists? The number of people who have swallowed this narrative hook, line and sinker is really despressing. Not just those on the far-right, but others who just nod along with some misinformation pushed into their social media feed by rage farmers.

The data available actually shows that here in the UK, white people are more likely to be abusers than other ethnicities, incidentally, on a proportional basis population. Why doesn't Elmo give a shit about abuse outside of grooming gangs comprised mostly of Asians in small northern towns or the various scandals revealed in religious institutions and schools, also many years ago?

Nobody denies this was a terrible affair, but it all began literally a decade ago and Space Karen is only pushing it to cause problems for a leftish (actually very much centre-right) government and promote his far right agenda. The man is absolute vermin, as are the many UK politicians using it as a tool to promote themselves.
 
Sorry for getting a bit arsey there, but I've been dealing with these bullshit arguments on a UK forum I visit and certainly don't need to face it from Europeans repeating verbatim whatever they've read from Musk on twitter!

These perpetrators have been known and reported by the media as 'Asian grooming gangs' since the scandal first arose. It is widely-known that the perpetrators in the most notorious of cases had an ethnicity relating to the Indian subcontinent. These girls weren't abused and exploited because of their race. They were abused and exploited because they were from 'broken homes' and out late at night, unsupervised, so were vulnerable to being plied with drink and drugs by other unscrupulous men also out at the time of night - mostly taxi drivers, restaurant workers and the like, who happened to be Asians in these particular areas. The racists on the far right like to claim that the girls were exploited because of the race of the perpetrators and their own race. The truth is that they were exploited because the perpetrators were horrible bastards, as are all abusers.

I get pissed off because I've been accused of being a 'rape apologist' for using the term 'grooming gangs'! This is by people who have never read a newspaper or watched the TV news in their lives oand were totally oblivious to the whole scandal until the past few months. There is nothing new about these scandals. The only think new is the grifters are being amplified by the likes of Musk in an attempt to destabilise our country and push a far right agenda.

I am no fan of the LINO government (Labour In Name Only) because they are fucking useless, but they aren't any worse than their predecessors and will be a hell of a lot better than the clowns in Reform who are the ones benefiting from a shameless onslaught from the right-wing media (who barely mentioned the Jay report which was pretty much ignored in 2022) and Musk's misinformation.
 
Sorry for getting a bit arsey there, but I've been dealing with these bullshit arguments on a UK forum I visit and certainly don't need to face it from Europeans repeating verbatim whatever they've read from Musk on twitter!
I would say fellow Europeans, brother.

And I can't blame anyone for needing an occassional release of frustration these days. Heaven knows there is way more than enough Musk/Trump et all idiocracy to go around everywhere.
I'd like to believe there is still a quiet core of sanity that prevails even if social media rewards venting strong opinions about everything while showing a lack of even the most superficial grasp of anything.
 
Musk trying to buy TikTok now.

Exactly what I assumed Musk was doing behind the scenes when talking to Trump about TikTok; trying to get ahold of another platform to run it entirely into the ground too.
 
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