NVIDIA discussion [2025]

I fail to see what is the point of comparing the 1080ti from 2017 to the 5070 again? 5070 would be even more awesome if it is compared to a GTX 280...

That said, the 5000 series is looking pretty good to me, although personally the 3GB modules are needed here. 5080 with 24GB or 5070 with 18GB would make those much more appealing to me. Currently I'm happy with my 4070 Super, but we'll see.
 
DuckThor Evil said:
I fail to see what is the point of comparing the 1080ti from 2017 to the 5070 again? 5070 would be even more awesome if it is compared to a GTX 280...
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The argument was somehow cost is going up without checks or balances. As it turns out, costs are going down in comparable hardware, however the absolute ceiling on performance is an order of magnitude higher now. I also chose the 1080 Ti purposefully as it is continually regarded as the last of the "best performance per dollar" cards, yet somehow it underperforms and is overpriced by modern equipment. Once again proving costs have continued to reduce in both absolute and relative terms, yet the halo series still costs more not because it's necessary, but because people are willing and able to pay for it.

It really shouldn't be surprising to anyone, but somehow people still miss it.

trinibwoy said:
They’re a lot more expensive if your criteria is “I used to max out games for $600” or “The best card used to cost $700” whether or not those things are actually true or relevant.
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But did we though? There's another conversation somewhere on this forum about how high AA and high resolution and high framerates really never happened in the top AAA titles because there still wasn't enough horsepower then, either. It always ends up being a circular argument (as you well know and alluded to in your reply) because one person will have a story about how this one game could be maxxed out and they remember it fully and blah blah, but then another person remembers this other game couldn't be maxxed out... But then we devolve into whether "max" graphical options mean anything, and then who would even notice, inevitably by the same people with strong opinions on how "fake frames" have no place in high quality graphics output.

My statement remains: we are getting more and better hardware for our dollar, even though the absolute maximum prices continue to go up. Why do they continue to go up? Because no amount of money RIGHT NOW could ever buy you the performance you're about to get from a 5090. Does that mean everyone needs a 5090? Does that mean ANYONE needs a 5090? Nope. But they're gonna make a ton of them, and they're gonna sell them all, because people will want them and will be willing to pay for them.
 
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Albuquerque said:
The argument was somehow cost is going up without checks or balances. As it turns out, costs are going down in comparable hardware, however the absolute ceiling on performance is an order of magnitude higher now. I also chose the 1080 Ti purposefully as it is continually regarded as the last of the "best performance per dollar" cards, yet somehow it underperforms and is overpriced by modern equipment. Once again proving costs have continued to reduce in both absolute and relative terms, yet the halo series still costs more not because it's necessary, but because people are willing and able to pay for it.

It really shouldn't be surprising to anyone, but somehow people still miss it.
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I understand and personally I'm at peace with these companies pricing their products, but Imo it's a fact that nVidia has become much more "efficient" in pricing their lineup and consumers has been on the losing side of this tug of war. GTX 570 was 94% of the biggest die enabled, 5070 is something else. 1080Ti in 2017 was also an epic performance monster and nobody was worrying about it having enough memory for games. Back then nVidia left money on the table, these days they are a bit better at not doing it. But yeah the 5000 looks reasonable to me, I just want to see those 3GB modules.
 
Albuquerque said:
But did we though? There's another conversation somewhere on this forum about how high AA and high resolution and high framerates really never happened in the top AAA titles because there still wasn't enough horsepower then, either.
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If my memory serves right it’s always been the case that the most demanding settings and resolutions of the day were out of reach of the fastest single card solutions. Hence the rise of SLI etc.

I don’t know what it is. Maybe the modern internet has provided the perfect platform for grievance culture and the angriest voices get amplified. Then there’s the rise of clickbait that further riles up the community for clicks and revenue. Whatever the reason there’s certainly a greater sense of entitlement now than there was in the past. People feel they deserve to own the fastest card for some arbitrary price they think is “fair” .

Albuquerque said:
My statement remains: we are getting more and better hardware for our dollar, even though the absolute maximum prices continue to go up. Why do they continue to go up? Because no amount of money RIGHT NOW could ever buy you the performance you're about to get from a 5090. Does that mean everyone needs a 5090? Does that mean ANYONE needs a 5090? Nope. But they're gonna make a ton of them, and they're gonna sell them all, because people will want them and will be willing to pay for them.
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The number of 5090 SKUs is surprising for a $2000 product. Maybe it was the same with the 4090 and I didn’t notice. AIBs are gearing up like they plan to sell a lot of these things.
 
Yeah, just finished watching GN's overly snarky summary of all the 5090 and 5080 SKUs coming out and I agree it does seem like there are quite a few. I'm running an ASUS Tuf gaming 4090 today; it will soon find its way into one of my dedicated folding rigs when I sell off the EVGA FTW3 Gaming 3080Ti (I'm still very sad EVGA isn't in the biz anymore.) A 5090 will replace it in the 9800X3D gaming rig, and it will also get the severe-duty undervolt + overclock treatment along with 24/7 folding duties just as the 4090 has.

Now I just gotta figure out which one to buy ;)
 
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trinibwoy said:
Has something changed to indicate that WoA will be any more successful in 2025 than it was in the past?
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Personally I think Microsoft did it the wrong way. Windows on ARM devices should be cheap. They need to attack from below, instead of trying to make a high end devices competing with MacBook Pro.
On the other hand, this could just be a preparation step. For some reason they gave Qualcomm one year exclusivity. Now it's rumored that vendors like MediaTek will be making SoC for Windows on ARM, and it'll likely to be much cheaper.
A cheap Windows on ARM device will have a much better fighting chance IMHO.
 
pcchen said:
Personally I think Microsoft did it the wrong way. Windows on ARM devices should be cheap. They need to attack from below, instead of trying to make a high end devices competing with MacBook Pro.
On the other hand, this could just be a preparation step. For some reason they gave Qualcomm one year exclusivity. Now it's rumored that vendors like MediaTek will be making SoC for Windows on ARM, and it'll likely to be much cheaper.
A cheap Windows on ARM device will have a much better fighting chance IMHO.
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Yeah, I think you're not wrong here. I gotta give Microsoft credit for doing a great job establishing the Surface range as a premium brand ever since its initial launch. They managed to shake up the Windows OEM landscape quite a bit, with vendors like HP, Dell and Asus now all offering devices that seem to prioritize build quality and elegance a lot more than they used to (I reckon Lenovo always did, in their way). All things considered, Windows laptop no longer means nasty plastic bling.

And I'm just not sure how Snapdragon fits in there. Other than battery life, which is pretty good - though by no means groundbreaking if you consider how far Apple's CPUs are ahead, and Lunar Lake and Strix Point matching it or being not that far behind, respectively - I would call the Qualcomm devices... super unexciting. I think I would prefer Strix Halo for a Surface device, or Lunar Lake or its successor, along with bringing back the optional Geforce.
 
Albuquerque said:
Yeah, just finished watching GN's overly snarky summary of all the 5090 and 5080 SKUs coming out and I agree it does seem like there are quite a few. I'm running an ASUS Tuf gaming 4090 today; it will soon find its way into one of my dedicated folding rigs when I sell off the EVGA FTW3 Gaming 3080Ti (I'm still very sad EVGA isn't in the biz anymore.) A 5090 will replace it in the 9800X3D gaming rig, and it will also get the severe-duty undervolt + overclock treatment along with 24/7 folding duties just as the 4090 has.

Now I just gotta figure out which one to buy ;)
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That's just GN's brand isn't it, but given the marketing materials, perhaps for once it is not inappropriate :D

I am eyeing a 5090 as well, as I anticipate the 5080 may turn out to be an underwhelming upgrade for my 4080. I'll be looking out for the Asus ProArt - I love the unassuming wolf in sheep's clothing sleeper PC aesthetic.
Just give me something black, compact, and devoid of LEDs and I'm happy..
 
Biden’s latest round of AI export restrictions is pretty hardcore. Nvidia isn’t pleased.

"As the first Trump Administration demonstrated, America wins through innovation, competition and by sharing our technologies with the world — not by retreating behind a wall of government overreach," Finkle said. "We look forward to a return to policies that strengthen American leadership, bolster our economy and preserve our competitive edge in AI and beyond."
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Nvidia stock is down 3% on the news. I don’t know if appealing to Trump will work as he doesn’t seem to love China.
 
Florin said:
Man, what did Portugal, Austria and Switzerland ever do?
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and Greenland tier 2 but Denmark tier 1 and Greenlands foreign policy is managed by Denmark
 
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trinibwoy said:
They’re a lot more expensive if your criteria is “I used to max out games for $600” or “The best card used to cost $700” whether or not those things are actually true or relevant.
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A Titan cost $1000 in 2013. Nobody is against the existence of expensive GPU's. But what Nvidia GPU's are actually offering today at almost any given price point is absolutely quite a bit worse than what we used to get in relative terms.

It's completely undeniable. At least to anybody outside this bizarre forum. It's more than four years since the new consoles came out, and people are still having to spend $350-400+ just to get a new GPU where you dont have to to lower the settings to below console quality. That's just insane. Nvidia is so obviously upselling us on these GPU's. A 4060 is a tiny low end GPU. The 4060Ti is similarly pretty dang small, and in both of these cases, their 8GB of RAM wouldn't be questioned much at all if these were named 4050 and 4050Ti and priced appropriately. And they've done this upselling across basically the whole range.

That's how Lovelace in particular jacked up prices on us. So yes, people are 100% correct when they say that GPU's have gotten more expensive and worse value. Because they simply have. Whether you think there's some justifiable financial need for them to do this is a different argument, but the fact that we're getting less for more these days is undeniable.
 
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