The old and unwieldy GTA4 thread*

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AlphaWolf said:
Here's an interesting piece regarding the cost of making a game.

If there's enough interest in discussing cost a mod could spin it off in its own thread, but I posted it here as some were wondering about the possible cost of GTAIV and where the $50 million loan could have been used.
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Crazy. I had no idea. Independent developers are screwed. Looks like it's going to end up like the film industry, with only a few major players that own 99% of the small studios.
 
AlphaWolf said:
Here's an interesting piece regarding the cost of making a game.

If there's enough interest in discussing cost a mod could spin it off in its own thread, but I posted it here as some were wondering about the possible cost of GTAIV and where the $50 million loan could have been used.
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I think that $50 million dollars cost revolves around MMO development. He said Crackdown cost 20 millions to make but Crackdown represented the first game released by Realtime Worlds that now has 225+ employees, which is pretty large for a dev that has released only 1 game and that was just a year ago.
 
What if MS basically said, "okay, we'll give you $50M for DLC, but we get all the revenue". Rockstar gets guaranteed revenue for their efforts, and MS takes all the risk. Maybe they get more than that or maybe not, but the exclusivity makes up for it in the latter case.

Maybe they get 1M users paying $30 for DLC, 1M paying $15, and the rest is more than made up for in long term software sales on the extra consoles they move.
 
Mintmaster said:
What if MS basically said, "okay, we'll give you $50M for DLC, but we get all the revenue". Rockstar gets guaranteed revenue for their efforts, and MS takes all the risk. Maybe they get more than that or maybe not, but the exclusivity makes up for it in the latter case.

Maybe they get 1M users paying $30 for DLC, 1M paying $15, and the rest is more than made up for in long term software sales on the extra consoles they move.
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It just seems like too much of a gamble without the great gains to go with it. They could potentialy lose millions just so that they can market the fact that the 360 has exclusive DLC, and the amount of benifit to MS of having the DLC is debateable in the first place. Do the potential gains outweigh the risks? its impossible to say, nobody knows how viable DLC is on such a scale and the effect it will have on 360 sales is no more than guesswork either. Too many variables if you ask me.

As mentioned by someone else, it seems to me like a sort of intrest free loan where MSs intrest comes in the form of exclusive content and rockstar get to use the $50mil however they see fit, as long as they meet MSs requirements for the DLC. This would be very low risk to both companys and thus the potential gains are likely to outwiegh the risk.
 
You don't have to think it in a complicated way, the DLC development cost doesn't equal $50m. Why Take2 decided to release an exclusive DLC is because MS paid pure incentive. So what you should speculate is what percentage of $50m is actually the incentive money that covers hypothetical profit raised by multiplatform + Microsoft's goodwill. If the percentage was not strictly arranged by MS and Take2 in the contract, Take2 would just run off with money by making a sub-par content.
 
GTA4 is gaining incredible momentum helped by MS and Sony..

http://www.game.co.uk/PS3/Hardware/.../Sony-PlayStation-3-with-Grand-Theft-Auto-IV/
http://www.wtfuxman.com/img/bestbuygtaiv3.jpg

With people receiving their games early i think the street date will be broken.

Ads:
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Giant add:
http://www.gta-series.com/it/newssite/data/upimages/gta4_billboard_la.jpg
All have the PS3 signature

Thanks to Neogaf.

And a Sam Houser interview from 1up:
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=0&cId=3167500

It actually touches on the differences and challenges between 360 and PS3, nothing new though.

And more solid stuff on the DLC:

For me, though, the combination of what we're doing with multiplayer and what we're doing with the [downloadable XB360] episodes is the start of us putting our toes in this water and seeing how our audience...adapts to online. Is episodic content the way forward for them? These are things we're going to find out. I'm very excited about the episodes. I think they're going to work beautifully well, particularly if you played the single-player experience -- how they connect. Again, without giving too much away, we're absolutely going to head down that path. We're already kind of on it....
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“Both titles have generated great interest on the Asda website, with strong pre-orders, and the PS3 version is selling three times that of 360, which is surprising and not in line with what we’d expect,” said Asda’s head of games Duncan Cross.

Comet’s games buyer Debbie O’Neill also feels the PS3 will benefit most from GTA’s release on April 29th. “We have great expectations and believe it is going to be a massive hardware driver – especially on PS3.”

However, HMV’s Tim Ellis has seen more interest for the 360 version: “Demand for both formats is high, but our 1,000 Xbox points offer generated a huge amount of interest.”
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Who sells more games and consoles between ASDA and HMV?

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/30297/Son...or-GTA-IV-sales
 
Until release, I refuse to watch any videos of GTA4 gameplay. I've come this far without seeing anything of the gameplay other than extremely short clips available in the teasers/trailers. At this point, I only want to see it when I've got the game. I know it'll be like the other GTA games, but I still feel like the game is somewhat of an unknown. It'll have been a long time since I played a game that way. So I'm going to skip all these leaked gameplay videos and give myself a surprise. Anyone else with me on this?
 
Yes , looks awersome in the videos of youtube with shacky cam . But realy , the game has the same filter of the screens - noisy or watercolor ;) , and a very agresive lod .. poping ... .
 
JPT said:
Who sells more games and consoles between ASDA and HMV?

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/30297/Son...or-GTA-IV-sales
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I think Asda is the bigger of the two. I cannot even give away money off vouchers for HMV :LOL:

Anyway, is it really surprising they are selling more of the 360 version considering they are also giving away 1,000 xbox points.

So despite all the adverts, all the promotions saying xbox 360 and not mentioning PS3 it all amounts to nothing in the UK :LOL:
 
heh... *anecdote* one of my friends didn't even know the game was coming to the 360. Other friends of his even told him it was PS3 exclusive. :| After I told him it was coming to the console he owned, he was a lot happier. ;)
 
Tap In said:
yes, great deduction sherlock :rolleyes:
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How many retailers do you need as proof?

The PS3 version was the first that retailers couldn't guarantee pre-orders with, now Asda and Comet confirming there is more demand for the PS3 version, and only one retailer says they are selling more 360 versions but are giving away 1,000 xbox points with it.

Not really much a deduction, more looking at the evidence and forming the correct opinion, something I believe is beyond you in this case.
 
shiznit said:
gameplay videos of the leaked version are being removed EVERYWHERE it's insane.
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They cant keep up anymore, to many copies was send out early from the "interweb" shops.

The old school shops are getting the short end again because they know how to keep a street date. What i dont understand is, why not release the game now, where most shops already have it in stock and avoid chaos and pirate copies.
 
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