Your opinion on America's policy on Isreal

[Joe DeFuria]

As for the electoral college, all I ask is this. Don't you find it disturbing that the Electoral College had to be used instead of vote counting? That's actually a rather disturbing precendent don't you think?

Eh? How is using Electoral College to determing the 2000 election a "precedent", when that's the way it's always been?

It's only "disturbing" if (like DemoCoder implies), you either don't understand the basis for the Electoral College, or you don't agree with it. (The basis is, sovreignity of individual states, and individual state's rights).

In any case, it's certainly no precedent.

 

[Legion]

Right....

The US government is in the pocket of the jews.

I hear they eat children too. (The jews, not the US government)

Yep and we sacrifice christian babies - that is why we deserved to have the germans attack us again and again. We are such savagaes ..completely unlike the civilized european christians of the time...

 

[Legion]

No, because I accept the fundamental premise behind the electoral college, and I despise direct democracy, and prefer a Republic. I hold high disdain for the trivial ways in which people in the popular vote pick candidates and issues. And let's not forget that the networks declare that Bush lost halfway through the national election, causing many people to stay at home and not vote, which affect the outcome of the popular vote.

Or for that matter people tried to throw out over seas ballets etc.

 

[Willmeister]

No, because I accept the fundamental premise behind the electoral college, and I despise direct democracy, and prefer a Republic.

I agree with you about direct democracy. Then again, our representatives are too obsessed over polls. Polls polls everywhere and not a backbone in sight. So, maybe we're getting ever closer to that 'direct democracy' and referenda. Referenda should only be used for trivial issues like which day is best for garbage pickup.

If I was living in Florida and Dade County got a recount, but my neighborhood did not, I would feel disenfranchised.

What about those disenfranchised who didn't even have their votes counted because of the injunction by the SCOTUS? The SCOTUS literally ordered the recount of votes stopped on December 9 because it might cause 'irreparable harm' to Bush. Doesn't the refusal to count someone's vote violate one's right to free speech?

Given the closeness of the vote, the only fair thing to do would be to have a full recount, since it is likely there would also be a similar rate of statistical error in other districts.

I agree, and this was Gore's fundamental error. Most of the flap against him since would not have materialized. His selectiveness really looked rather petty.

 

[Geo]

Right....

The US government is in the pocket of the jews.

I hear they eat children too. (The jews, not the US government)

Yep and we sacrifice christian babies - that is why we deserved to have the germans attack us again and again. We are such savagaes ..completely unlike the civilized european christians of the time...

Don't forget deicide. I like Lenny Bruce's answer when asked why he killed Christ. . ."Hey, it was a party, things got out of hand. . ."

 

[Legion]

Right....

The US government is in the pocket of the jews.

I hear they eat children too. (The jews, not the US government)

Yep and we sacrifice christian babies - that is why we deserved to have the germans attack us again and again. We are such savagaes ..completely unlike the civilized european christians of the time...

Don't forget deicide. I like Lenny Bruce's answer when asked why he killed Christ. . ."Hey, it was a party, things got out of hand. . ."

I prefer "we didn't kill christ. We fulfilled him."

 

[Willmeister]

I prefer "we didn't kill christ. We fulfilled him."

That's a really good one. I have to remember it. Replaces my 'Jews didn't crucify Christ, the Romans did numbnuts.'

 

[RussSchultz]

I prefer "we didn't kill christ. We fulfilled him."

It always amused me that Judas has been universally scorned.

I thought the telling of Jesus Christ Superstar through the eyes of Judas was brilliant. If you believe the whole prophecy thing, the crucifixion HAD to happen. Judas was simply a pawn carrying out God's will.

 

[Willmeister]

Judas succumbed to temptation and manipulation just as Adam and Eve did in the Garden, provided you believe those stories.

 

[Natoma]

Well to bring the topic back on topic (and yes I was guilty of helping shift it off. hehe), I believe that our support for Israel needs to decrease somewhat until they clean up some of the decidedly undemocratic tendencies they have shown over the years.

The Palestinians and the Israelis are guilty of committing atrocities against one another, and if we're really interested in getting the two sides to talk and really compromise, we should use our financial clout with the israelis to force them to the table. Enough is enough already imo.

 

[Willmeister]

The Palestinians and the Israelis are guilty of committing atrocities against one another, and if we're really interested in getting the two sides to talk and really compromise, we should use our financial clout with the israelis to force them to the table. Enough is enough already imo.

You mean like how Reagan used threats of US withdrawal of aid to temper Israel in Lebanon?

 

[Legion]

Judas succumbed to temptation and manipulation just as Adam and Eve did in the Garden, provided you believe those stories.

No i don't buy that. I believe that God had intended for Judas to do this - within the story of course.

 

[Legion]

force the Israelis to the table? The only reason why there are peace talks happening is because Israel controls pratically the ful palestinian mandate now. The arabs, who stabbed their own in the back, had prevented these so called palestinians from having their own nations.

 

[Legion]

The Palestinians and the Israelis are guilty of committing atrocities against one another, and if we're really interested in getting the two sides to talk and really compromise, we should use our financial clout with the israelis to force them to the table. Enough is enough already imo.

You mean like how Reagan used threats of US withdrawal of aid to temper Israel in Lebanon?

I do believe the war on terrorism will help ground many of the arab nations by curbing their interest in supporting terrorist groups in the middle east in many respects. Doing so will help to legitimize the palistinians by nutralizing the terrorists and their mantra in the palistinian ranks. The palistianians have a long way to go but i think they are coming along.

I don't think they are in any sound position to run their own country however. They have no governmental infrastructure even planned, they have no economic infrastructure, they haven't the cash flow required, nothing. Simply having a country doesn't grant you any of these things. I feel they'd likely fall prey to people such as arafat promising them economic prosperity while exploiting them instead. Such is seen throughout arab nations.

 

[Legion]

I prefer "we didn't kill christ. We fulfilled him."

It always amused me that Judas has been universally scorned.

I thought the telling of Jesus Christ Superstar through the eyes of Judas was brilliant. If you believe the whole prophecy thing, the crucifixion HAD to happen. Judas was simply a pawn carrying out God's will.

I always get this from christians....i see a poor whinning jesus on a stick who is "dying" but didn't and who suffered "but was perfect."

How could this jesus figure ever claim to have suffered anything "real?" he was perfect and could make no mistakes. What was his sacrifice? What was being lost? His human life? So that he could go back to being by YHWH's side?

What is this demigod's perspective of pain? Does he really feel pain? Was that all a show?

I think its all bullsh1t. If you want to know how i feel about christianity ask vince who incited my wrath.