XB360 Crash Fix

Slay said:
Ok then explain this http://g-prime.net/x360/fubar/IMG_4687.JPG it seems to me like an overheated GPU, how can you be so sure that there isn't a design flaw in the cooling system?

Can you explain the surrounding conditions where the console was placed? Can you confirm this graphics corruption happens to a large number of consoles due to insufficient cooling even though the console was well ventilated?
 
Qroach said:
I've not had a single problem with my xbox so far, and i've had it on for about 25 hours so far.

ya i've left mine on for nearly 2 days now, waste of power but I wanna test it out. Not a single freeze-up yet...
 
london-boy said:
Some people will never learn that for every complainer, there are 1000's of happy customers. We're only hearing the complaints though because the happy customers are just happily gaming away. So it looks like there are LOADS of problems, when really, if we heard from the happy customers as much as the complainers, the situation would be much different.
Exactly. You're not going to see very many threads titles saying 'My insert system here runs absolutely perfect without a problem in the world."
I'm guessing if you did the responses to that thread would be something like "Why the hell should I care."
 
PC-Engine said:
Notebook computer CPUs dissipate more heat than XeCPU and they don't have overheating issues even with almost zero empty space inside the case and a tiny little fan.

I don't suppose you can show me the laptop with the GPU that produces more heat than the 360's GPU can you?

Just like the fan size in the 360, you leave out half the problem. You've got quite the pattern going here.
 
If it is an overheating issue, then I wonder if influence room/home/outside temperature has an influence on it being unstable or not. My guess is this plays a good role.

Also, IMHO saying that you've left a console *on* for two days results in a stable cooling system is irrelevant, sicne there isn't a particuarily high load on idle hardware.

Anyways, it's probably not one factor. Most likely a bunch of things, liek manufacturing defect with room temperature, etc.
 
london-boy said:
Some people will never learn that for every complainer, there are 1000's of happy customers. We're only hearing the complaints though because the happy customers are just happily gaming away. So it looks like there are LOADS of problems, when really, if we heard from the happy customers as much as the complainers, the situation would be much different.

Also, those who got their 360s in the first batch are mostly hardcore gamers since they are the ones to have preordered early, waited online overnight, etc. This group is much more likely to go online to gaming forums and complain. So not only are you hearing about JUST the problem units, but your sample group is one where probably 80% of them complain are pre-disposed to tell their tale of woe online to the world.
 
Powderkeg said:
I don't suppose you can show me the laptop with the GPU that produces more heat than the 360's GPU can you?

Just like the fan size in the 360, you leave out half the problem. You've got quite the pattern going here.
No, and I can show you a Dell Inspiron motherboard that literally gets warped due to heat, till the point where it will eventually contact the chasis and short out. (Actually, I can't show you the motherboard anymore, since I had it replaced under warranty from Dell. But a search of the Dell support forums for "Inspiron" and "randomly shuts off" should turn up many heat related issues.)

.Sis
 
My guess on that kind of heat damage would be a faulty bearing in the brushless DVD drive motor. Those little motors are very powerful. A bad bearing/bushing would superheat very quickly.
 
Powderkeg said:
I don't suppose you can show me the laptop with the GPU that produces more heat than the 360's GPU can you?

Laptops with G7800s produce more heat than the GPU in Xbox360.;)

Just like the fan size in the 360, you leave out half the problem. You've got quite the pattern going here.

Look who's talking.
 
Slay said:
Ok do you think that this molten disk is due to power supply issues? http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pgr27es.gif
Is this due to a faulty drive? or the fact that the GPU is located right under it?
Assuming, for a moment, that this is an image is a genuine issue (I'm taking it that it isn't yours, given your location), then its likely to be something specific to that unit since we this was neither discovered in Q&A when designing the unit nor have all users featured the same issue as yet.
 
PC-Engine said:
Notebook computer CPUs dissipate more heat than XeCPU and they don't have overheating issues even with almost zero empty space inside the case and a tiny little fan. Some Xbox360s are just plain faulty like most other consoles at launch.

offtopic : but cooling is important even on laptops.
we have lots of problems with our compaqs at work. bleu screens freezes, instant reboots...
you can fry an egg on it
 
After seeing the cooling they used for the GPU, I have to say it could very well cause a heating problem. The fact that the DVD drive is literally right on top of it doesn't help either.
 
hey69 said:
offtopic : but cooling is important even on laptops.
we have lots of problems with our compaqs at work. bleu screens freezes, instant reboots...
you can fry an egg on it

Sure but that's not because of limited space of a laptop, it's because the cooling design is somehow flawed compared to other laptops.
 
I just got back from my thankgiving leave from my parent's home.

they've become really frugal over the years and have actually not turned on the heater or A/C and so the house was incredibly cold.

I brought my 360 to show them and my brothers and was worried it would crash, but knowing that it was freezing in my parent's house I thought it would be a good experiment.

Well, it didn't crash once. I was pleasantly suprised. But it might all be in my mind too. I've been back for a few hours and a friend came over to play PDZ with me and it didn't crash once, but when we tried to play on Xbox Live I would connect to a game but connection would fail. I'm using the wireless adapter so I played around with that but still, no avail, I'm going to try to run a CAT5 and see if it makes a difference.

The thing about elevating the PSU, I kinda had mine against the side of the cabinet to help the cord reach the 360 sitting on the countertop so maybe that might have helped.

But I'm going to echange my system anyways, if it fracked up more than once before, it could still frack up again.
 
Quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360#Central_processing_unit

"Microsoft hasn't officially released a solution for this yet, though there are rumors that in some cases the cause is due to an overheated power supply. The problem may be solved by putting it on a cool surface (such as wood or tile instead of a rug) or raising it from the ground. It remains to be seen, however, if the problem is present in the European version, as, if the problem is indeed power-related, it is very possibly limited to North America. No problems have been reported (or at least known to have been reported) regarding the demo-kiosks in Europe."

Quite interesting - hadn't considered that the different voltages used in Europe might mean we bypass the power brick problems.

Note: I did do a BEng in Electrical Engineering, but it was far too many years (and beers!) ago to remember the relationships between voltage, phase and heating effects!
 
I don't suppose you can show me the laptop with the GPU that produces more heat than the 360's GPU can you?

You gotta be kidding. my sony laptop out puts more heat than my 360 which is exactly why it's not clocked at maxim most of the time. Any note book with a decent graphics chip in it (not an intel graphics chip) will get f'ing hot.
 
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