XB360 Crash Fix

Couldn't both be true anyway ?
As soon as I get a friend with one, I'll try to convince him to let me do various overheating tests on the console to see.
(And also measure DVD temperature)
 
PC-Engine said:
Xbox360 console has insufficient cooling...riiiight.
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Well this shouldn't have happened if MS wasn't so scarred of Sony and didn't rush that much the Xbox 360.
 
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Some people will never learn that for every complainer, there are 1000's of happy customers. We're only hearing the complaints though because the happy customers are just happily gaming away. So it looks like there are LOADS of problems, when really, if we heard from the happy customers as much as the complainers, the situation would be much different.
 
london-boy said:
Some people will never learn that for every complainer, there are 1000's of happy customers. We're only hearing the complaints though because the happy customers are just happily gaming away. So it looks like there are LOADS of problems, when really, if we heard from the happy customers as much as the complainers, the situation would be much different.
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I agree, it just sucks if you're one of the unluckies that get a duff machine! It's nice that - for those people who do have problems - it looks like there's an easy temporary fix that will get them enjoying their hardware.

My view -for what it's worth - is that the power consumption/thermals of the XB360 were really designed for the 65nm CPU process and it's being pushed to the limit with a 90nm chip.
 
FireGoblin said:
I agree, it just sucks if you're one of the unluckies that get a duff machine! It's nice that - for those people who do have problems - it looks like there's an easy temporary fix that will get them enjoying their hardware.

My view -for what it's worth - is that the power consumption/thermals of the XB360 were really designed for the 65nm CPU process and it's being pushed to the limit with a 90nm chip.
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Notebook computer CPUs dissipate more heat than XeCPU and they don't have overheating issues even with almost zero empty space inside the case and a tiny little fan. Some Xbox360s are just plain faulty like most other consoles at launch.
 
PC-Engine said:
Notebook computer CPUs dissipate more heat than XeCPU and they don't have overheating issues even with almost zero empty space inside the case and a tiny little fan. Some Xbox360s are just plain faulty like most other consoles at launch.
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They also go through more rigorous testing as a company's rep is made or broken on the quality of their hardware with testing in rooms at 115 degrees or higher and extensive hardware testing before releasing them to the market place....
 
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I agree some consoles are just plain faulty, as any product will be, but there must be a cause(s) of the fault, whether thats manufacturing errors, component errors, design errors etc.

I am just of the opinion that a central cause of the issues with the XB360 is a design whose power/heat/noise sweetspot is based arounf 65nm components, that is designed to work at 90nm but whose tolerance at this point is very slight.
 
PC-Engine said:
Xbox360 console has insufficient cooling...riiiight.
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Neither did ps2-slim had any problems with their laser coils, i mean most of them worked fine, so it wasn't a design flaw right?
 
Slay said:
Neither did ps2-slim had any problems with their laser coils, i mean most of them worked fine, so it wasn't a design flaw right?
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The powerbrick may be a design flaw or maybe not. It's only a design flaw if it affects many units. Regardless the powerbrick is not the console.
 
PC-Engine said:
Notebook computer CPUs dissipate more heat than XeCPU and they don't have overheating issues even with almost zero empty space inside the case and a tiny little fan. Some Xbox360s are just plain faulty like most other consoles at launch.
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This is quite dependant on the notebook vendor. I've used various notebooks in the last 8 years and I can count quite a few that had very obvious cooling design flaws (mainly those that didn't have Pentium Mobile CPUs).

Anyway, once again, you're comparing apples to oranges. Just because apples don't have problems doesn't mean oranges don't.
 
PC-Engine said:
The powerbrick may be a design flaw or maybe not.
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that's my point, you don't know if it is a design flaw or not, but you can't exclude the possibility that there is one or more design flaws in the console as well.
 
Phil said:
This is quite dependant on the notebook vendor. I've used various notebooks in the last 8 years and I can count quite a few that had very obvious cooling design flaws (mainly those that didn't have Pentium Mobile CPUs).

Anyway, once again, you're comparing apples to oranges. Just because apples don't have problems doesn't mean oranges don't.
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What I was pointing to was 'insufficient cooling' of the console which doesn't seem to be the case since the culprit is the powerbrick. Also without large numbers to prove there's a design flaw in the console itself, it unlikely to be 'insufficient cooling' of the console.

Slay said:
that's my point, you don't know if it is a design flaw or not, but you can't exclude the possibility that there is one or more design flaws in the console as well.
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Huh? I didn't exclude a design flaw in the powerbrick. I'm excluding the 'insufficient cooling' in the console as a design flaw.
 
I'm no expert in hardware design but from my understanding if the console uses 65nm silicon the power it will draw (from the power brick) will be reduced.

If the brick is currently being pushed to the design limits by the higher current required from 90nm components then it is possible that the output DC voltage is fluctuating enough to crash the console.

I've built my own PC's for years and I learnt the hard way how unreliable a PC you will get if you don't give it a PSU with enough juice. When I build now I power spec my components, add 100W and only then get the PSU.

According to the rumours - and I think there've been enough to start believing them - the PS3 has similar problems, so this isn't a MS bash. :)
 
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