Whites not qualified to teach Black history?!
- Thread starter Joe DeFuria
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Joe DeFuria said:
Things like this piss me off. When did slavery end? My great grandparents wern't alive when it ended. Why are we still dragging it around? And to say Whites can't teach slavery? Does that mean nobody but Jews can talka bout WW2? And Asians can't talk about U.S. History?
This slavery thing is getting real old. Being Jewish, I'm the last one to be racist, so keep that in mind when you read my next paragraph.
What would these blacks that are complaining about slavery be doing if they where never here? Look at the current state of Africa. Do they think they would have anything that they have now? College? Money? A job? Food? Medical? I hear Jackass Jackson say how everything is racist, but with all these equal oppertunity laws they have it better. I was in the military for 4 years. A black man can score the same on an advancement test as me and he would get promoted over me because he's black. Can I scream racism? Hell, look at Libera. That place was setteled by ex-slaves. Look at the shape they're in. And when slaver did end, why didn't all the blacks jump at the chance to go back to Africa? I remember a guy got on TV and offered to pay for any black person's ticket to move back to Africa. But it was a one way ticked. Guess how many people took him up on his offer? None.
I just don't get it. Judge the teacher by his skills, not by his color.
Dr. Ffreeze
Regular
Lostman,
Good points. =)
How about this, fellow Africans SOLD many of those other Africans into slavery. If race is so important, then we should ban every African American from teaching Black history unless they can prove that they have no ancestors that were in any tribe that sold other Africans into slavery.
/sarcasm off
Dr. Ffreeze
Good points. =)
How about this, fellow Africans SOLD many of those other Africans into slavery. If race is so important, then we should ban every African American from teaching Black history unless they can prove that they have no ancestors that were in any tribe that sold other Africans into slavery.
/sarcasm off
Dr. Ffreeze
Lostman shalom! I see we have some one else here with a jewish background!
I entirely agree with you on the concept of drudging on this slavery "thing." Its really being used as the political basis to incourage more and more people to buy into more and more discriminatory welfare etc. Honestly its sickening. Slavery ended nearly 150 years ago. For christ sake when will it be time to move on? As of the last 40 years african americans have had mounting opportunities placed before them. Little of them have taken advantage of this.
What we see to day is the progression of the beliefs of Dubios and not Washington.
A better questions is would africans have anything that remotely resembles civilization if there wasn't any middle eastern or european influence in africa today.
They would be doing exactly what they are doing now. Killing each other.
You won't believe the kind of proafrican propaganda i hear here at the UNI of cincinnati. IT digustingly inaccurate and dishonest.
They have more abilities and are academically favored over whites. yet they still don't achieve to the level of all other races. Why? Because they are used to being pandored to. I think the rising populations of latin americans will change most of this. I theorize the democrats will soon take their economically poisoning socialist agendas to the way of Latin Americans. The dems need the votes. honestly i wonder if they even have a chance of winning 2004 elections.
yes you can. But you would be called a palistinian killing racist zionist.
Ah! You won't hear anything about this in college text books or in college classes. Why do you suppose they deny it?
. It just points out completely african culture is the cause of much of their own problems and not white intervention as so many people have led us to believe.
I am astonished by the level of people who completely deny that africa had major problems long before the whites showed up. There was slavory already there and still is today. Certain people might also want you to be believe that whites where simply roaming through africa slaughtering people and taking slaves. Actually a lot of the slaves that were acquired were do so simply by purchasing slaves from other african tribes. Every professor i have had has all but completely denied this.
I entirely agree with you on the concept of drudging on this slavery "thing." Its really being used as the political basis to incourage more and more people to buy into more and more discriminatory welfare etc. Honestly its sickening. Slavery ended nearly 150 years ago. For christ sake when will it be time to move on? As of the last 40 years african americans have had mounting opportunities placed before them. Little of them have taken advantage of this.
What we see to day is the progression of the beliefs of Dubios and not Washington.
A better questions is would africans have anything that remotely resembles civilization if there wasn't any middle eastern or european influence in africa today.
They would be doing exactly what they are doing now. Killing each other.
You won't believe the kind of proafrican propaganda i hear here at the UNI of cincinnati. IT digustingly inaccurate and dishonest.
They have more abilities and are academically favored over whites. yet they still don't achieve to the level of all other races. Why? Because they are used to being pandored to. I think the rising populations of latin americans will change most of this. I theorize the democrats will soon take their economically poisoning socialist agendas to the way of Latin Americans. The dems need the votes. honestly i wonder if they even have a chance of winning 2004 elections.
yes you can. But you would be called a palistinian killing racist zionist.
Ah! You won't hear anything about this in college text books or in college classes. Why do you suppose they deny it?
. It just points out completely african culture is the cause of much of their own problems and not white intervention as so many people have led us to believe.I am astonished by the level of people who completely deny that africa had major problems long before the whites showed up. There was slavory already there and still is today. Certain people might also want you to be believe that whites where simply roaming through africa slaughtering people and taking slaves. Actually a lot of the slaves that were acquired were do so simply by purchasing slaves from other african tribes. Every professor i have had has all but completely denied this.
ahh, it's so nice to be in a civilized conversatoin. Most of the blacks that I know just want to make a living. But at the same time, most of them fit that stereotype. Speak with broken ubonics english and are always looking for the easy way out. But it's people like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson that promote that idea.
Jews have been trampled over since the dawn of time. Do we get special treatment? My grandmother worked in a Warsaw Ghetto hospital during WW2. Does she get special treatment? (she's dead now, but point still the same). Just the term African American pisses me off. Most Blacks blood line has been in America longer than mine. Why can't they just be Americans?
And no, the Demacrats have no chance in 2k4. They're waiting for Hillary in '08. That's when I move to Australlia.
Jews have been trampled over since the dawn of time. Do we get special treatment? My grandmother worked in a Warsaw Ghetto hospital during WW2. Does she get special treatment? (she's dead now, but point still the same). Just the term African American pisses me off. Most Blacks blood line has been in America longer than mine. Why can't they just be Americans?
And no, the Demacrats have no chance in 2k4. They're waiting for Hillary in '08. That's when I move to Australlia.
Lostman said:
That is why i say their culture is a culture of indolence.
Sure we do. We get a gold star and a serial number. We simply don't make up a large enough of portion of society for many groups to be insterested in us for anything other than historical reference. I am some what glad about this. I believe it is inpart this treatment blacks have received that has corrupted them culturally. After the perion od the holocaust Jews needed to build themselves up mainly by themselves. Doing so helped rebuild the spirit of Jews. It was beneficial.
There were hints to the future of black culture over 100 year ago. Look at how the blacks ignored Washington and choose to listen the NAACP and Dubois. They just wanted a free ride.
>My grandmother worked in a Warsaw Ghetto hospital during WW2. Does she get special treatment? (she's dead now, but point still the same). Just the term African American pisses me off. Most Blacks blood line has been in America longer than mine. Why can't they just be Americans?<
Its deliberately divisive. They want to seperate themselves from everyone else culturally though they really don't live by their original culture.
You answered your own question. They have better opertunities over here. So why milk the slavery issue? Why give them preferential treatment because they're black? They should be happy that they arn't in Africa starving or getting killed.
Just because someone points out the shortcomings of a race doesn't make them a racist or "pro slavery". It makes them perceptive.
Just because someone points out the shortcomings of a race doesn't make them a racist or "pro slavery". It makes them perceptive.
Don't Ask said:
How on earth do you come to such a conclusion from the statement i made above? What i was pointing out was a great number of african american promotters in academy blame many of the current problems in african on the white settlers who came there during the 1600-1800s. I do not agree with that statement it its entirety. The roots of the problem are african cultures and violence. A lot of the economic problems they have also stem from this root inpart. Lets face it Africans wouldn't have known as early as they did about the resources they have (copper/gold/diamonds and their economic value) if not for the western settlers as early as the settlers made them aware.
When Lostman pointed out their reluctance to go back he was refering to the apparent hypocracy in the moans and groans of the african american communities. "If infact they have it so badly here why not leave and go back to african" was his comment (or something to that affect) IIRC.
Obviously they have to many economic ties here now to do such a thing. Why do you think they have these ties? They realized going back to africa was not a good choice (ie look at current state of Liberia - do you see this dramatically improving). With this said perhaps they should spend less time whining and more time improving themselves instead of waiting for the world to change them for themselves.
If you're going to accuse all blacks labeling all whites racists, then stop being a racist.
I can't believe you really think you're not a racist. Although, as I've pointed out, some of you don't realize it or pretend not to. Ok, the africans that sold their own people are at fault for causing their people 100s of years of slavery, yet they are not the ones who were/are "whining". You're telling me it's the slaves fault for their kings selling them to slavery. You're telling me that the descendants of those slaves (<who were brought here by force) are at fault for their own problems TODAY. Were the african people sold "whining" because they had no choice? Are the african people free today "whining" because they are still thought of as niggers?
You also seem to think that "they" as in african-americans in whole are poor, dumb and lazy. You also come off, regardless of how much you say otherwise, thinking that being Jewish or being related to someone in the holocaust leaves you all the right to think that way. Using "I'm jewish so of course I'm opressed" doesn't dwarf anyone elses problems, especially when racism is the root of the problem.
I can't believe you really think you're not a racist. Although, as I've pointed out, some of you don't realize it or pretend not to. Ok, the africans that sold their own people are at fault for causing their people 100s of years of slavery, yet they are not the ones who were/are "whining". You're telling me it's the slaves fault for their kings selling them to slavery. You're telling me that the descendants of those slaves (<who were brought here by force) are at fault for their own problems TODAY. Were the african people sold "whining" because they had no choice? Are the african people free today "whining" because they are still thought of as niggers?
You also seem to think that "they" as in african-americans in whole are poor, dumb and lazy. You also come off, regardless of how much you say otherwise, thinking that being Jewish or being related to someone in the holocaust leaves you all the right to think that way. Using "I'm jewish so of course I'm opressed" doesn't dwarf anyone elses problems, especially when racism is the root of the problem.
Don't Ask said:
I wasn't aware that i was saying all blacks label whites.
You must my kidding me. You are deliberately taking my words out of context. Are you suggesting i am blaming the slaves for being slaves? Did i say this? Why do you not point out that by your reasoning i amy also be implicating that all whites were some how not involed in slavery. Obviously some were.
How am i a racist for pointing out the truth? Africans were involved in the trade of slaves contrary to what some in acadamia want many people to believe. They would rather had off the complete blame for slavery to white europeans. This is completely historically inaccurate. Infact slavery and the slave trade had been involed in african for thousands of years. The belief that eurupeans went galavanting around africa capturing tribes men and turning them into slaves in not accurate. Many slaves were purchased from other tribes who had acquired them as slaves by war. Ergo europeans shouldn't receive the entirety of the blame.
Sir, for some one who knows nothing about me you are quick to tell me about how you think i feel. I have throughout my highschool career been involved with inner city turtoring to help with education. Many of the people i was involved with were african americans. My fiance is an african american. Are you saying i hate her? Indeed i do according to you. I hate her so much infact i want to spend the rest of my life with her. I do not respect african americans why have i mentioned Booker T Washington several times in this thread? Why if i didn't respect this man would i have mentioned him as having a progressive plan for african americans?
I am curious. How would you react if i were to bring in my fiance who feels the same as i do about the situation? Would you call her a house nigger? Would that make it easier for you to write off the oppositions argumentation?
Are you suggesting that slavery which ended over 150 years ago directly affects african american economy today? The Jews migrating from europe were able to turn their whole lives around in less then 50 years like was many other immigrate populations. Afircan americans have a great deal of possibilities presented to them in almost all fields of study and business which have been available to them by discriminatory laws for over 40 years now. Why is it in light of all they have going for them we are still seeing little progress? Why were men like Washington, Dubois, and Douglas so successful? Why were the people they educated so successful? Its interesting that inlight of the racism that existed during their times they were able to progress so quickly. hell both washington and douglas were slaves themselves. Both became highyl educated and successful men. Perhaps it was education that gave them an edge you think? No one can force you to be educated. That is something you must do yourself.
I "seem" to think? You don't seem certain of that. Why have you so quickly jumped on my case? Is it because my opinion merely doesn't agree with your world view on the situation?
I must inform my fiance that i just learned i think she is lazy and dumb. I am sure she will be surprised. Probably not as much as i am currently though.
And you come off a person who believes you know how i think and feel without knowing anything about me as a person.
No i don't think being of jewish decent entitles me to anything. Have you missed the entire subject of my argumentation? I have been arguing being of a certain race shouldn't entitle you to anything legally. That would be discrimination.
Dr. Ffreeze
Regular
Legion,
Wow, please remind me to never ever in a 1,000,000 years call you racist. =P
I think your post also illustrates that we all need to be careful about passing judgment of people just based on a few comments made here on this board as we many times perceive things though our own filters.
Dr. Ffreeze
PS. I agree with your comments and kudos for tutoring! =)
Wow, please remind me to never ever in a 1,000,000 years call you racist. =P
I think your post also illustrates that we all need to be careful about passing judgment of people just based on a few comments made here on this board as we many times perceive things though our own filters.
Dr. Ffreeze
PS. I agree with your comments and kudos for tutoring! =)