I was wondering about the technical feasibility of an idea I had that I thought would be neat for the Nintendo revolution. I was wondering, can data be sent fast enough with current wireless lan to have video data streamed in real-time to an LCD screen? I was thinking that it would be neat if Revolution's controller featured a large, high resolution screen like the PSP's and have video data generated by the console be streamed in real-time to the wireless controller, so that 4 or more players could get a private screen in multiplayer games, or in a single player game, give someone the ability to simply play anywhere in the house without having to lug their machine about.
Weird idea for the revolution, could it work?
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I got ~50MByte/s for 640x480 60fps. So it's not gonna work. I don't think that idea is so good anyway. People didn't seem to like FF:CC and Four Swords GBA/GC connectivity so much.
I've had other crazy ideas. Maybe Revolution will be backwards compatible way back to the NES. And Nintendo is gonna re-release ALL their games
Or it will be stackable, so you can stack 4 Revolutions and get 4x the power NAOMI-style. But neither of these things is revolutionary.
It might be that you can connect two TVs and play non-splitscreen multiplayer with one console. But that's hardly revolutionary either and not very practible.
Really i have no idea, but they better surprise me. It better not be 8-player gaming or a gyro-controller.
I've had other crazy ideas. Maybe Revolution will be backwards compatible way back to the NES. And Nintendo is gonna re-release ALL their games
Or it will be stackable, so you can stack 4 Revolutions and get 4x the power NAOMI-style. But neither of these things is revolutionary.It might be that you can connect two TVs and play non-splitscreen multiplayer with one console. But that's hardly revolutionary either and not very practible.
Really i have no idea, but they better surprise me. It better not be 8-player gaming or a gyro-controller.
thop said:I got ~50MByte/s for 640x480 60fps. So it's not gonna work. I don't think that idea is so good anyway. People didn't seem to like FF:CC and Four Swords GBA/GC connectivity so much.
I've had other crazy ideas. Maybe Revolution will be backwards compatible way back to the NES. And Nintendo is gonna re-release ALL their games
It might be that you can connect two TVs and play non-splitscreen multiplayer with one console. But that's hardly revolutionary either and not very practible.
Really i have no idea, but they better surprise me. It better not be 8-player gaming or a gyro-controller.
Well that's because you needed a seperate system, with seperate cables...if integrated with the controller, I think just about every game would use such features and most people would dig it.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that it is possible. Who wants to pay that much more for a controller? It's an interesting idea, but I don't think it will be feasible until we get cheaper displays (OLED?). Whatever the revolutionary part of Revolution is, it will use relatively proven, cheap technology. Nintendo doesn't innovate by spending money. Look specifically at the DS, which is innovative but not expensive to manufacture. I think that's the direction Nintendo is going in.
gleemax said:
I hear a gba costs about 15 bucks to make, I can't imagine a controller with a larger screen and maybe the equivalent of a network card will cost that much more to make. I would gladly pay 50 bucks for a controller that allowed that sort of gaming though.
Having said that, I do not know the costs for a decent LCD screen, so maybe I'm wrong
Evil_Cloud
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Wireless touchscreen controllers with built-in voice recognition and mini HDD, with the ability to play GBA and GB games.
Evil_Cloud said:Wireless touchscreen controllers with built-in voice recognition and mini HDD, with the ability to play GBA and GB games.
lol, this reminds me of why I keep writing off this idea...because there's always the possibility of Nintendo just having the GBA2 be able to do exactly as I propose. There are rumors (totally unsubstantiated but still), that the gba2 could simpy be a vastly reworked GCN, well if it had a similar controller lay-out as well, then it could conveivably act as a controller for the revolution (not that it would replace a traditional controller), all the revolution has to do is send it video data.
Now here is a really weird idea for Revolution: Nintendo should sell a console that as a starting point doesn't have any drive, neither HD nor optical, they should let the consumer decide themselves which one they wanted, based on the particular consumers situation and needs (with slots for both of course, for the people who want both options).
Then Nintendo could save millions on distributions and manufacturing by letting people either download games on a secure encrypted DSL or better connection, or burn discs on demand in a special kiosks (or alternatively order from a special webshop that could also be accessed by a barebones Revolution).
Some of you might be thinking "why not just put a optical disc burner in the console from the get go and be done with it?", But that is part of the plan! It would be much harder for pirates to crack or even burn a proprietary format if they don't have a burner (as demonstrated by the current GOD disc).
Then Nintendo could save millions on distributions and manufacturing by letting people either download games on a secure encrypted DSL or better connection, or burn discs on demand in a special kiosks (or alternatively order from a special webshop that could also be accessed by a barebones Revolution).
Some of you might be thinking "why not just put a optical disc burner in the console from the get go and be done with it?", But that is part of the plan! It would be much harder for pirates to crack or even burn a proprietary format if they don't have a burner (as demonstrated by the current GOD disc).
FatherJohn
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GwymWeepa said:
Sure, this is theoretically possible, there are all sorts of ways you could use compression to avoid having to stream the raw pixels. For example, you could just cut down the video stream to 160 x 120 x 15 Hz x 8 bpp and get a lot of comression that way.
Another approach is to send the graphics display list, and render locally on the controller. (Sort of like X-Windows.)
At the extreme, all you have to send is the other players' controller inputs, which is very low bandwidth.
Now,whether it's cheap or useful to do that, that's another story.
Ooh-videogames
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Its easier to come up with ideas when you have the technology in front of you. Then again, it could just be Mario128. Miyamoto may have come with some type of gameplay that require some additions to a controller, much like Mario64 and the need for analog control.
PC-Engine said:
Of course it's possible. As a matter of fact wireless video transmitters/receivers have been available for years. It's not digital but it works nonetheless. I beleive they use the 2-5GHz radio frequency range similar to wireless home phones and of course the new Wavebirds.
Yep...these things already exist...
http://www.nuvision3d.com/the60gx.html
Jaws said:PC-Engine said:
Of course it's possible. As a matter of fact wireless video transmitters/receivers have been available for years. It's not digital but it works nonetheless. I beleive they use the 2-5GHz radio frequency range similar to wireless home phones and of course the new Wavebirds.
Yep...these things already exist...
http://www.nuvision3d.com/the60gx.html
F'ing cool!
Jaws said:GwymWeepa said:
Well I've discussed goggles that had video data streamed to them for VR with friends quite a few times, all it would need is a simple gyroscopic sensor to detect head movement...but I never knew if that idea would be feasible, now I believe it is.
GwymWeepa said:Jaws said:GwymWeepa said:
Well I've discussed goggles that had video data streamed to them for VR with friends quite a few times, all it would need is a simple gyroscopic sensor to detect head movement...but I never knew if that idea would be feasible, now I believe it is.
I agree with this line of thinking and I think this was discussed/ speculated in a B3D thread a while ago...I'm collecting some evidence/hints to substantiate all of this before I start another thread...
Jaws said:GwymWeepa said:Jaws said:GwymWeepa said:
Well I've discussed goggles that had video data streamed to them for VR with friends quite a few times, all it would need is a simple gyroscopic sensor to detect head movement...but I never knew if that idea would be feasible, now I believe it is.
I agree with this line of thinking and I think this was discussed/ speculated in a B3D thread a while ago...I'm collecting some evidence/hints to substantiate all of this before I start another thread...
Its the only gimmick that would make the whole world's jaw drop and actually steal some thunder from its rivals, if they announced something like this honestly I see them taking a 50/50 split next-gen with Sony, it would be amazing (provided such goggles were either packed in or available at launch and all games supported stereoscopic 3d at the very least).
GwymWeepa said:Jaws said:GwymWeepa said:Jaws said:GwymWeepa said:
Well I've discussed goggles that had video data streamed to them for VR with friends quite a few times, all it would need is a simple gyroscopic sensor to detect head movement...but I never knew if that idea would be feasible, now I believe it is.
I agree with this line of thinking and I think this was discussed/ speculated in a B3D thread a while ago...I'm collecting some evidence/hints to substantiate all of this before I start another thread...
Its the only gimmick that would make the whole world's jaw drop and actually steal some thunder from its rivals, if they announced something like this honestly I see them taking a 50/50 split next-gen with Sony, it would be amazing (provided such goggles were either packed in or available at launch and all games supported stereoscopic 3d at the very least).
I'm not sure of the 50/50 split with Sony...but it would definitely provide what marketeers like to call "product differentiation" against their competitors. Sony are rumoured to also have a competing gimmick in the form of wireless gloves that work in conjunction with an 'eyetoy' camera...
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