Via and ATI team up on XDDR memory

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Via and ATI team up on XDDR memory

But it's a secret


By Fuad Abazovic in Canada: Monday 20 September 2004, 07:39

ATI DOESN'T WANT TO talk about it but we learned from more than a few people that ATI and Via are involved in standardising a novel memory standard.
People in Canada are keeping schtum about the memory marchitecture, but as Wil Harris said last week, ATI is always involved in inventing new memory techniques. Check his story here.

The new XDDR standard doesn't have anything to do with the previous announcement. It's actually memory that can be used for both graphic and system memory.

You might remember QBM (Quad Band Memory) marchitecture. Via was very committed to this marchitecture and we spoke about it many times here, here and here.

That standard was supposed to double memory performance and with small technology part to make 533MHz modules from existing DDR 266MHz. We don’t know what's going on with this marchitecture, but its future is not bright. In the last three years we haven’t seen any technology presentation and DDR 2 is already there with speeds up to 667MHz already.

Nevertheless, XDDR a new marchitecture should be regarded as a doubled DDR 2 or should be say a Quad DDR memory standard. Theoretically it will generate four Bits per cycle, versus only two clocks per cycle that is in current DDR and DDR 2 memory modules.

So, theoretically, XDDR might end up twice as fast offering twice as much bandwidth from current memory. Thinking about this marchitecture, you have to bear in mind that doubling the current DDR 2 and GDDR3 memory bandwidths could be warmly accepted in graphic circles - well at least in ATI's. You never know how Nvidia might react to it but I don’t see a warm welcome as it might have the ATI mark of the Canadian Wastes on it.

Apart from using is for graphic games I can see broad usage of XDDR memory as system memory but I am not sure what the commissariat at standard body Jedec feels about it. We know that ATI has one important memory chap one who is an active member of the Jedec board, but we haven’t had a pleasure to meet him and ask him about it.

At least on paper, it looks good but as we have been careful with QBM we should be very careful with the new XDDR memory marchitecture.

Via and ATI together in a smooch? Well, stranger things can happen.

*** I know that not many people like the Inquirer but I found this sort of interesting. I've seen some articles about XDDR but was wondering if this architechture has so much promise what is the hold up? Is it just to expensive to implement? Whats the benefits if any over DDR 2 and GDDR3?


**** There is no luck... Only the will and desire to succeed !
 
This is just Fuad talking out of his ass again, and not doing a very good job at it, either. My God the grammar is horrible for a news post.

It's pointless to think you're getting any sort of real information from the Inquirer. This is just rumormongering, again.
 
Chalnoth,

Is Fuad really off base here? (Believe me not trying to defend Inq at all I think alot of what they write is well .... yeh ) :rolleyes: Im just trying to get a sense of real use in the hardware. With the ever increasing needs of bandwidth in memory could this be something with potential or viable with DDR 2 and GDDR 3 in the picture? Im up for anything that will help push technology even if its not in the norm i.e DDR2 , GDDR 3 etc :) Though I agree coming from Inq i have my doubts. What are the negatives or what makes you think this architecture could'nt come in to play? Sorry im relatively new to the graphics hardware as a whole but Im trying to learn, not to mention it looks like it may have potential if it actually works :D


*** There is no luck...Only the will and desire to succeed !! ***
 
Oh, I'd definitely say so.

Obviously at some point we'll be moving towards a Quad-data-rate style memory architecture for both system and graphics RAM, but he's just way off base on a number of things (the signalling technology has been used for years in AGP, so it's pretty much just a matter of time until memory manufacturers find an beneficial way to use that signalling tech);

1. It's highly unlikely that VIA and ATI would be the only ones working on a new memory standard, or, if they were, that that memory standard would ever be adopted by the industry as a whole (you'd really need the support of JEDEC for that to happen). Neither company even produces RAM, so how are they the ones to be the major players for a new standard in RAM?

2. It's just silly to talk about using the same memory technology for both system RAM and graphics RAM. Number one, we've been using very similar technology for both for many years now. The differences are typically in the implementation details, something that is not going to change with a new type of RAM available, so this is just a ludicrous statement.
 
PC-Engine said:
QDR has been available from NEC for a long time...

http://www.qdrsram.com
That's SRAM, not DRAM. Also, that "QDR" SRAM actually achieves 4 transfers per clock cycle by having two ports (=two sets of physical pins) each using plain old DDR signalling. Given that it doesn't actually double bandwidth per pin, I don't see it as very useful for GPUs.

Other than that, I am still a bit skeptical to QDR, as it requires data lines to switch at a faster rate than the clock line. It sounds more likely to me that they will take the DRAM core clock and run it at progressively lower and lower sub-multiples of the IO clock speed, thus permitting higher IO speeds (this has already begun, with DDR2 running the core at 1/2 the clock speed of the IO logic and RDRAM running at 1/4 clock). As for other existing "QDR" solutions, AGP 4X uses source synchronous clocks running at 2x the clock speed of the master clock, so that is in practice "only" DDR; and the Pentium4 bus requires 2 clock signals 90 degrees out of sync with each other, adding extra pins.
 
afaik, S3 Graphics Inc is only GFX chip maker who has licensed QBM (QDR) technology, so in that light, why would develop a new QDR tech, if they aren't using even exsisting lisence?
 
Ati is a member of JEDEC and so is VIA ( and lots of others) they would lobby for the new standard just like ATI and Micron did for GDDR3 (inspite of Samsung), and this would be ,if true, about 3 years down the road? if not longer.
 
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