Turning point(s) in Console history!
- Thread starter Deepak
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SEGA leaving the Hardware market....
Tagrineth said:
off-topic: what was Nintendo doing before videogames?
on-topic: the complete failure of the Jaguar, publicized as the most powerful thing ever...
Tagrineth said:London-boy: Nintendo's been around for over 100 years. Look up their history.
Phil: Ah, but would Sega's 8-bit system (forgot the name >.<
well i asked u because i couldnt be bothered to search for it and i knew u know stuff
also, videogames existed before Nintendo got into the market and they will keep existing after they leave it, if they leave it.
Phil: Ah, but would Sega's 8-bit system (forgot the name >.<
That's something we'll probably never find out...
Definately interesting though... Just out of curiousity, what's there not to like about Kutaragi (despite him being the reason Nintendo lost its leader position)?
Phil said:
thats it.....
i think that if it werent for him, videogames market wouldn't be in the same situation it is now.
he made videogames mainstream and i think he only needs praise for it.
if it weren't for the first playstation, videogames would still be the toys kids play with in their rooms before going to bed...
london-boy said:
Yes, but the console market was all but dead in the States when the NES hit the scene. Most stores flat-out refused to carry it, because they felt sure it wouldn't sell.
Phil said:
If you're referring to the PlayStation-X, technically Nintendo designed the PlayStation and Sony didn't revise it that much for the "X" version that everyone knows and loves
And I don't like Kutaragi because he doesn't give a damn about programmers. Just look at PS2's release and first year. He's a fantastic engineer, no doubt about that, but he's so programmer-unfriendly it's a bit silly. What's the use in creating the most powerful CPU ever if it takes aeons to get good performance out of the thing?
london-boy:
as much as I love that guy (Kutaragi), I think you're being a bit harsh. If it weren't him, I'm sure Sega would have pushed the console market into a more mainstream direction.
I think what Sony really contributed to, is making consoles available to the masses.
as much as I love that guy (Kutaragi), I think you're being a bit harsh. If it weren't him, I'm sure Sega would have pushed the console market into a more mainstream direction.
I think what Sony really contributed to, is making consoles available to the masses.
Tagrineth said:
is that it????
and i thought he made PS2 super programmable because the developers asked him to do so, after working on PS1 which didn't allow them to work to the metal very often...
of course the lack of documentation was really bad and all, but it's not like he personally has complete control over that...
also, i really do not think that SEGA would have made videogames mainstream as much as Sony did. they simply did not have the resources to do so.
and Nintendo would never have done it, they still to this day are too arrogant to open their mind, and i personally think that is the reason why GC isnt doing too well as well as why i think that they should just stick to the handheld market should they continue to do so.
Tagrineth:
Nintendo designed it? I doubt it - if my memory serves me correct, Nintendo was more interested in the CD-ROM drive. I wouldn't think Sony released something that Nintendo designed (on their own). If this is true however, I wouldn't mind seeing a link (as this would be quite interesting).
Wow. That's harsh. Do you program for the PS2? Also, one of the demands/wishes of developers during the PSX days was better access to the hardware. PS2 gives them that. I think you're getting mixed up about what developers have been critizing (lack of libraries, proper documentation rather than different approach) about PS2's hardware.
Nintendo designed it? I doubt it - if my memory serves me correct, Nintendo was more interested in the CD-ROM drive. I wouldn't think Sony released something that Nintendo designed (on their own). If this is true however, I wouldn't mind seeing a link (as this would be quite interesting).
Wow. That's harsh. Do you program for the PS2? Also, one of the demands/wishes of developers during the PSX days was better access to the hardware. PS2 gives them that. I think you're getting mixed up about what developers have been critizing (lack of libraries, proper documentation rather than different approach) about PS2's hardware.
First, the PlayStation started as the SNES CD-ROM. Remember? It had a 16-bit CPU, initially. When Sony broke away from Nintendo they took the PS design with them, but they realised the 16-bit CPU really didn't cut it any more... they also planned a bunch of other multimedia things for PlayStation, but those made it far too expensive, and they didn't think it'd survive in the market at all... so they redesigned it down to just a game system, replaced the CPU with the 32-bit r3400i, and added the GTE to complement it.
Second, had Nintendo not made NES and SNES, Sony wouldn't even have MADE the PS(X) so mentioning Sony in the hypothetical no-Nintendo-consoles history is useless.
Second, had Nintendo not made NES and SNES, Sony wouldn't even have MADE the PS(X) so mentioning Sony in the hypothetical no-Nintendo-consoles history is useless.
Tagrineth said:
the thing is, had nintendo not made the NES or SNES someone else would have made something similar. EITHER WAY one day or another Sony would have got the hint and made a console of their own. just like Microsoft got the hint and realised they needed to enter the market... u se what i mean...
besides, had Sony not thown as much money as they did in publicising the first PS1 they way they did, making it COOL, making it mainstream, i don't really think videogames would be in the same position as they are now....
u see my point babe
Tagrineth said:
Is that so? I could remember some programmers havin' a hard time on the platforms like SNES, Saturn, N64 too ... at least in the beginning.
Custom hardware is always hard to tame. I am pretty sure Kutaragi had enough faith in coder to choose "cheap/highpowered/bitch2code4" instead of "pricy/highpowered/dream2code4" or "cheap/underpowered/dream2code4"
Respect to coders for (SC2|ZOE2|Burnout2|SH3) and to Kutaragi-sama for PS2
