not by a few months by a whole year ... They dont have three fabs gearing up for high tran. chips like they do 90nmLow~k. They had "production" on 90nm last april 2004. That doesnt mean you will have R520/or R500s that same month. I would think 65nm is a new node, and will be ready for Xbox360 and R600 Q4 2006.
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TSMC to begin 65nm production by end of the year.
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karlotta said:not by a few months by a whole year ... They dont have three fabs gearing up for high tran. chips like they do 90nmLow~k. They had "production" on 90nm last april 2004. That doesnt mean you will have R520/or R500s that same month. I would think 65nm is a new node, and will be ready for Xbox360 and R600 Q4 2006.
I don't know about qtr4 2006 , but i would think in the second half .
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I was thinking of posting about this earlier actually but it slipped my mind in it's quasi-console state. Anyway I do in fact believe that ATI is having issues with the R520 yields - we'll see what becomes of it though, too much is just rumor and hearsay at the moment.
yea thats whats going around.xbdestroya said:I was thinking of posting about this earlier actually but it slipped my mind in it's quasi-console state. Anyway I do in fact believe that ATI is having issues with the R520 yields - we'll see what becomes of it though, too much is just rumor and hearsay at the moment.
But remember the xenos should be about the size of the current x800s not the r520 since its being produced in two parts . So this part may not be affected by the yields .
The current rummor is the r520 is 32 pipe lines so that would be one huge chip imho
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It's not.jvd said:The current rummor is the r520 is 32 pipe lines
Except now they have to wait a year and go directly again sony where as this way they can release for a holiday with no one else
The only thing worse then going up against a Sony console is going up against the hype for a Sony console.
which is exactly why this year is the best time to launch it , and it doesn't look like sony will have 65nm so there wont be much of a diffrenceTeasy said:Except now they have to wait a year and go directly again sony where as this way they can release for a holiday with no one else
The only thing worse then going up against a Sony console is going up against the hype for a Sony console.
Perhaps not.DegustatoR said:It's not.jvd said:The current rummor is the r520 is 32 pipe lines
http://www.ati-news.de/cgi-bin/News/viewnews.cgi?category=1&id=1117138247
PC-Engine said:TSMC (Hsinchu, Taiwan) unveiled its 65-nm process at its Technology Symposium in April. The company expects to begin 65-nm production in December. Wan said the company would uncharacteristically roll out the low-power version of the process before the high-speed and general purpose versions, in response to customer demand.
The low power remark is almost certainly because otherwise those customers will have a very hard time getting their chips to work at all. With 90 nm, already more than half the power drain is leakage. That's why it is so hard to get it right, and everyone uses things like stressed silicon and low-k to reduce the leakage as far as they can to get their chips to function as expected.
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R520 is 16 pipelines. This speculation is incorrect. The only way it may be correct is if ATI decided to kill R520 and go with R580+ instead.nelg said:Perhaps not.DegustatoR said:It's not.jvd said:The current rummor is the r520 is 32 pipe lines
http://www.ati-news.de/cgi-bin/News/viewnews.cgi?category=1&id=1117138247
DegustatoR said:R520 is 16 pipelines. This speculation is incorrect. The only way it may be correct is if ATI decided to kill R520 and go with R580+ instead.nelg said:Perhaps not.DegustatoR said:It's not.jvd said:The current rummor is the r520 is 32 pipe lines
http://www.ati-news.de/cgi-bin/News/viewnews.cgi?category=1&id=1117138247
I may not be as up on my ATI chips as I would liek to think (though I could get back up to speed in moments), but I believe from that information that the R520 will then have 24 pipes, not 16 - it'll be some other derivative chip that has the 16 pipes; 'Pro' is normally the baseline designator for ATI these days.
which is exactly why this year is the best time to launch it , and it doesn't look like sony will have 65nm so there wont be much of a diffrence
What I meant is releasing before a Sony console and fighting against the idea of it can be a lot harder then releasing with it and fighting the real thing. Look at Dreamcast, people thought PS2's graphics would have wipe the floor with Dreamcasts visuals. So they didn't buy Dreamcast and it died. Then PS2 came out and the reality of the machine didn't meet the hype, its visuals were DC level at best (yes they have improved but I'm just talking about launch).
Obviously 360 isn't going to go the way of Dreamcast. I'm just not sure that releasing before PS3 is definitely a good thing. It could be a good move, or it could backfire.
Teasy its a 6 month diffrence. Sony will have to have shown real games or start showing them around the x360 launch if they are lauching anywhere in the next 6 months after that .
Not only that but people are going to buy x360s regardless adn they are going to sell out regardless in those 6 months .
Sony doesn't have 2 years to show off tech demos and spread bs about the x360
Not only that but people are going to buy x360s regardless adn they are going to sell out regardless in those 6 months .
Sony doesn't have 2 years to show off tech demos and spread bs about the x360
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