Truform in RTCW

With the nude elite patch it adds a whole new dimension to the game :p
Actually now having control of the tesselation level is pretty cool and its for sure working now.
 
Althornin said:
looks like (despite what the nay-sayers all said!) Truform is being adopted AND makes an amazing visual difference in games.
This thread at Rage3d has some shots of truform comparisons up.
be warned, they ARE of the elites with the nude skin, so then are kinda animated porn, but...they are the only comparison shots up right now.
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=fe4b2eabf6bc922e77c039fb34d6bc2d&threadid=33608567
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That really is quite impressive. I was kind of skeptical about the adoption of Truform when they first started but it seems that developers are really starting to take to it. Supposedly it is relatively easy to implement all they have to do is add a line of code that turns on the hardware. Imagine what this will do for the digital porn industry. 8) ;)
 
Impressive, TRUEFORM is a feature I wished I had. I notice it over and over again on my gf3 up close with models with low polygon count the abrupt angles. I hope more developers do use this method of smooth surfaces because I am looking forward to the R300 latter this year.
 
Hi there,

has anybody got any numbers / benches regarding performance with full TRUFORM enabled?

thanks,
.rb
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The 'timedemo' command is locked under the single player version of RtCW, and the multiplayer doesn't utilise TRUFORM so it appears to be a little difficult to get benchmarks.
 
nggalai said:
Hi there,

has anybody got any numbers / benches regarding performance with full TRUFORM enabled?

thanks,
.rb
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I wonder about this myself. And it could be very interesting to know how performance is compared to a high polygon-figure.

About the R300: I cannot judge whether Truform will be used in new games (Unreal 2-level) instead of a higher number of polygons. It looks nice though, but since it's an ATI-only feature we will just have to see.

Regards, LeStoffer
 
Hmm... right now I'm deciding between which bothers me more - jagged breasts or supposed curves that aren't curves.
 
Well, doesn't SSam SE have Truform?
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SS:SE does support the TRUFORM functions, but AFAIK they have not done any work on the models to ensure that the normals are correct.
 
SS2 has put exclusions on the 1st Person View Weapons so they don't balloon like the famous shots going around the net 6 months ago. Thats it, when enabling truform the entire screen is affected including the landscape, keeping the tesselation level low minimizes the peformance hit but is playable. So enabling truform oN SS2 basically truforms EVERTHING, which does affect peformance.
 
I thought the inmplementation of trufrom in Myth 3 was well done. All of the characters seems to smooth out in all the proper places with it enabled...
 
LOL Rev! :LOL:

Kids who play games with nude models should have their head checked. :eek:

As for TruForm, it looks good, but couldn't the same effect be achieved on, say a GeForce3, just by using more polygons with around the same penalty hit as TruForm? At the rate video cards are going nowadays, you'd think developers would be more motivated to add more polygons and curved surfaces in today's games? I do think TruForm is a good idea for old games though.
 
As for TruForm, it looks good, but couldn't the same effect be achieved on, say a GeForce3, just by using more polygons with around the same penalty hit as TruForm?
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Yes, but its more work – it means they have to code different LOD models for different levels of hardware; with N-Patches only one LOD model need be coded for.
 
Ahh, that does sound more efficient, and it looks pretty darn good too (not the boobies damnit).


DaveBaumann said:
As for TruForm, it looks good, but couldn't the same effect be achieved on, say a GeForce3, just by using more polygons with around the same penalty hit as TruForm?
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Yes, but its more work – it means they have to code different LOD models for different levels of hardware; with N-Patches only one LOD model need be coded for.
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Actually TRUFORM is faster than high-poly T&L because of one easy to understand factor... memory bandwidth. TRUFORM takes up no extra bandwidth, just extra cycles.
 
Yes, but the GF3 has its own mechanism to support curved surfaces. If that were used, the AGP bandwidth required for such high detailed models would be small compared to just dumping the super-high detailed versions of the model out to the card.

Of course, nvidia has to re-enable the curved surfaces support in the drivers, first... at least in DX, not sure about OpenGL.
 
rhink said:
Yes, but the GF3 has its own mechanism to support curved surfaces. If that were used, the AGP bandwidth required for such high detailed models would be small compared to just dumping the super-high detailed versions of the model out to the card.

Of course, nvidia has to re-enable the curved surfaces support in the drivers, first... at least in DX, not sure about OpenGL.
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I heard that as well. Unfortunately their mechanism was purely a software attempt and very slow causeing such a performance hit that they disabled it. :rolleyes: Supposedly it is not on the gf chip as the radeon has it on the hardware.
 
AFAIK it is not a purely software scheme. The problem is GF3 has only iterators (for HOS) in hardware, and set-up works have to be done by softwares (not possible by vertex shader since vertex shader applies after vertex iteration). Therefore, unless very high level tessellation is used, the overhead with HOS can be very high.
 
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