yes, personally i think so. the various displays claiming HDR without being able to properly display HDR is no use. Better to get SDR displays at the same price, but higher quality.
Thinking of upgrading my monitor in a reasonable way.
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yes, personally i think so. the various displays claiming HDR without being able to properly display HDR is no use. Better to get SDR displays at the same price, but higher quality.
Silent_Buddha
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In general. IPS has better color accuracy but worse light bleed (greyish blacks). VA has less light bleed (better blacks, but still greyish) but slightly worse color accuracy, QLED (quantum dot) can help with colors. Oh and viewing angles are worse on VA than IPS. This is the main reason I go IPS instead of VA, as the color shift is pretty noticeable to me. For large or wide angle monitors, a curved display will help with this. Not everyone is sensitive to the color shift, so if it's a concern, try before you buy.
Of course, now that I've started using OLED for my main display, there's no way I can go back to either IPS or VA. It's just mind blowing how much better everything looks when you have blacks that are actually black. Even FALD with mini-LED backlighting doesn't fully address this problem on LCD panels. The haloing and backlight glow is smaller for high contrast sections of a screen, but it's still there and for me is still very very distracting and visible and any section that is predominantly black with just a few pixels needing to be lit up will still be greyish black. That is so jarring if the lighting zone next to it is only black and hence has no backlight on.
That said, for most movie content, it's not that noticeable unless you have high contrast scenes (like a night time starfield. That's also a type of scene that exposes another drawback of LCD compared to OLED, the slower pixel response generally leads to a loss of detail in motion compared to OLED.
Anyway, I think I got sidetracked a bit.
IPS and VA is just which trade-off do you prefer. Most people prefer the deeper blacks of VA compared to the slightly better color accuracy and wider viewing angle of IPS.Regards,
SB
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I'd disagree with this. Even without local dimming you'll still get the extended colour pallet in HDR mode and some games just don't play well in SDR from a colours point of view vs the HDR that they were originally authored in. And you'll still get a noticeable improvement to bright light sources even without FALD/OLED so it's worth getting something with an HDR mode as long as you don't have to spend a massive amount more for it especially baring in mind that many new games support HDR these days and Microsoft are about to launch to the Auto-HDR feature on Windows.
Yes this is why I turn local dimming off altogether on my monitor. I'd rather the whole screen was greyish than some parts black and others obviously grey were the light source is. Mines an IPS and the two biggest drawbacks for me are the lack of black blacks (although it's okay in that regard) and IPS glow from the corners, although that's only visible in dark content. The PC's plugged into an OLED TV as a secondary display which is far better in both regards (perfect obviously) but for me, aspect ratio and viewport size win out given the TV is on the other side of the room from the PC. Unfortunately I never found a way to reliably and consistently force a 21:9 resolution on my TV via custom resolutions in the NV control panel. It worked for some games, but not all.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Just play it in a wide aspect ratio in a window.
With my 55" CX, that's still wider than most ultra-widescreen monitors. And with the perfect blacks, there's no distracting glow. The borders can be a problem (they don't bother me), but there's some utilities out there that allow you to hide the borders of windows (can't remember any of them offhand).
That effectively gives you everything an ultra-widescreen display would give you.
Regards,
SB
Just play it in a wide aspect ratio in a window.
And with the perfect blacks, there's no distracting glow. The borders can be a problem (they don't bother me), but there's some utilities out there that allow you to hide the borders of windows (can't remember any of them offhand).
That effectively gives you everything an ultra-widescreen display would give you.
Regards,
SB
Yeah the best method I found was to create a custom 21:9 resolution and set Windows to that, then run games in borderless Windowed mode at that resolution. Problem is not all games support borderless windowed (or can lose performance in that mode), and some will just default to full screen 16:9 regardless of what resolution you set them to run at. When it works you do indeed get the best of all worlds but it's a bit of a faf and quite hit and miss unfortunately. There's also the problems with productivity on a big screen. If it's purely for gaming then no problem but if you want to work/browse/whatever else on it too then generally you want the display sitting behind a desk and quite close to you which I'm not sure works too well in those size ranges. It's why ultrawides are generally curved on the PC so that the close up experience doesn't result in you having to change focus to look out at the edges. That's generally not a problem with TV's at normal living room distances.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Yeah, mine is on my desk about 2.5-3' in front of me depending on how close I'm sitting to my desk. I wish the display was curved (LG used to make curved OLED TVs but they don't anymore
), but I've gotten used to it. When doing work, I'll just put lesser used windows to the sides and kind of lean over a bit when I need to see what's on them.Regards,
SB
Wow, thank you! A ton of info to digest, but a few points:
1. I gotta stay at 1080. I have an 8GB RX 580 for the foreseeable future and I'm trying to get a monitor with freesync to improve gaming a bit. 1440 or 4K is out for now.
B. Pixel density is a concern of mine at 27", but after finding out I have a 23" monitor I figure a 24 or 25" would be perfect.
III. I was under the impression that TN were the older ones, IPS is what I currently have and love the viewing angle, but VA is supposed to have deeper blacks...but VA is also notorious for bad latency/input compared to IPS. I'm leaning towards IPS but would grab a VA with good response times/reviews.
d. I've pretty much given up on it again. I just remembered my old man died this January and my family doesn't celebrate the day in any way. Sort of cheeseball selfish of me to try and give myself a Dad's day gift if no one else is interested so I'm saying fuck it and going in to a week long depression and shutting myself down.
Thank you for the advice though, it's fantastic!
So once again apologies, another false upgrade alarm turns all morbid and depressing. Seems like the norm for computer gaming lately. LOL
1. I gotta stay at 1080. I have an 8GB RX 580 for the foreseeable future and I'm trying to get a monitor with freesync to improve gaming a bit. 1440 or 4K is out for now.
B. Pixel density is a concern of mine at 27", but after finding out I have a 23" monitor I figure a 24 or 25" would be perfect.
III. I was under the impression that TN were the older ones, IPS is what I currently have and love the viewing angle, but VA is supposed to have deeper blacks...but VA is also notorious for bad latency/input compared to IPS. I'm leaning towards IPS but would grab a VA with good response times/reviews.
d. I've pretty much given up on it again. I just remembered my old man died this January and my family doesn't celebrate the day in any way. Sort of cheeseball selfish of me to try and give myself a Dad's day gift if no one else is interested so I'm saying fuck it and going in to a week long depression and shutting myself down.
Thank you for the advice though, it's fantastic!
That's what got me looking at monitors, they're the only reasonably priced computer thing available and I could actually get a performance improvement with freesync. Stupid I know, but I thought it clever at the time and was even thinking of making a viddy/review thing of it since I haven't seen any recently and people are going out of their way to try and find cheap viddy performance improvements. I watched a video last week on Hardware Unboxed claiming my card (8GB RX580) was probably the current best value for 1080 gaming at only $500, but since that video went up the prices have jumped up to the $650-750us range. :|So goddamnit now I've been looking and there are a bunch of 32/34" 4K monitors from reputable manufacturers around in the right kind of price range
Whats the story on VA panels?
Quick research puts them between IPS & TN (another issue with that 1080 24" was it was TN, blurgh, my others have all been IPS) but you need IPS for proper HDR right?
So once again apologies, another false upgrade alarm turns all morbid and depressing. Seems like the norm for computer gaming lately. LOL
Oh, question. Curved displays vs flat, what's the difference? Do they reduce glare/reflection or just have it move around more compared to a flat monitor?
To which bit lol? I'm not sure if they reduce glare but they do distort it more which can in itself be more distracting. I have much bigger problems (relatively speaking) on my shiny TV screen than my relatively matt monitor screen though.
Wow, thank you! A ton of info to digest, but a few points:
1. I gotta stay at 1080. I have an 8GB RX 580 for the foreseeable future and I'm trying to get a monitor with freesync to improve gaming a bit. 1440 or 4K is out for now.
B. Pixel density is a concern of mine at 27", but after finding out I have a 23" monitor I figure a 24 or 25" would be perfect.
III. I was under the impression that TN were the older ones, IPS is what I currently have and love the viewing angle, but VA is supposed to have deeper blacks...but VA is also notorious for bad latency/input compared to IPS. I'm leaning towards IPS but would grab a VA with good response times/reviews.
d. I've pretty much given up on it again. I just remembered my old man died this January and my family doesn't celebrate the day in any way. Sort of cheeseball selfish of me to try and give myself a Dad's day gift if no one else is interested so I'm saying fuck it and going in to a week long depression and shutting myself down.
Thank you for the advice though, it's fantastic!
That's what got me looking at monitors, they're the only reasonably priced computer thing available and I could actually get a performance improvement with freesync. Stupid I know, but I thought it clever at the time and was even thinking of making a viddy/review thing of it since I haven't seen any recently and people are going out of their way to try and find cheap viddy performance improvements. I watched a video last week on Hardware Unboxed claiming my card (8GB RX580) was probably the current best value for 1080 gaming at only $500, but since that video went up the prices have jumped up to the $650-750us range. :|
So once again apologies, another false upgrade alarm turns all morbid and depressing. Seems like the norm for computer gaming lately. LOL
if your room is bright. IPS could looks really similar to VA.
hoom
Veteran
RX580 can't go above 1080?
I feel like you're severely under-selling the capability of that chip.
What games are you playing/are you super FPS sensitive?
I currently have a 5600XT running my Dell U3011 (2560*1600)
Before that I had an RX480 & back when I first got the monitor I think I was running a 4870.
Heck I was even still using my 9800 Pro when I got my first 1920*1200 monitor.
I can't speak for @digitalwanderer but I'm pretty FPS sensitive, and I hate running things at lower than native resolutions, so all of my monitors are 1080p. I do run some games higher than that via DSR, but generally, if a game runs less than 100ish FPS, I can't play it for extended periods of time. There are exceptions, of course. 2d games are fine, most fighting games as well (assuming they hit 60), and occasionally I'll suffer through it if it's just not achievable (CP2077), but I need the Hz or I get hurts. I have a 2070 Super, BTW. Not the highest end card, but I can usually get 100 fps in most games.
You can run games in lower resolution than the resolution of the display.
My room is only bright on the half the sun shines in, and that's right where my PC is. (My wife has the shaded corner)
580 isn't limited to 1080, but it can't run some games well above that. Cyberpunk, Control, etc can give me some stutters after 1080. (I insist on v-sync, HATE tearing)
RX580 can't go above 1080?
I feel like you're severely under-selling the capability of that chip.
What games are you playing/are you super FPS sensitive?
I currently have a 5600XT running my Dell U3011 (2560*1600)
Before that I had an RX480 & back when I first got the monitor I think I was running a 4870.
Heck I was even still using my 9800 Pro when I got my first 1920*1200 monitor.
I just know a GPU upgrade is still a ways off so I want to err on the side of safety, plenty of people in my house who'll line up to take my monitor hand-me-downs if I upgrade to a better GPU.
From my experience it tends to look like shite if it's under the monitors native res, going over the res seems to help.
Doesn't matter, it ain't gonna happen. I spent my saved pennies and ordered myself a Mighty Car Mods cap, pure indulgence.
Yeah, but add "freesync" or "gsync" depending on your GPU flavor. I can't turn it off either so I'm just trying to ignore it.
Great deal on a monitor stand! Only like $17us after the 60% off coupon, no idea how long it will last. I ordered one.
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