The LAST R600 Rumours & Speculation Thread

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No, you and a bunch of other people. Which got addressed with X1950. Tho I'd argue that's a real good argument for an over-engineered fan. You want it running less than 50%.

It was? I'm running a 1950 XTX and I hate its cooler as much as I hated the 1800/1900 design. Up, down, up, down. Tempted to just put that 1900 I installed the Zalman cooler on back in despite the (slight) performance difference.
 
I think what will shock me the most is if R600 is a DX10.1 chip.
Has D3D10.1 even been defined? And even if it existed at this point, nobody would care--all the G80s that wouldn't support it would relegate D3D10.1 to the same place as D3D 8.1.
 
I just have one question for Geo,. Will you be replacing your 8800?:D

There's a generational difference between my 8800GTX and the X1900XT it replaced. I think it would be a bit much to expect R600 to wallop 8800GTX on the same kind of scale as 8800GTX generally walloped X19xx. I've enjoyed my 8800GTX for 3 months now, and it will be more than 4, it appears, by the time R600 hits the scene.

Having said all of that. . . I'm always very much in favor of positive surprises, and welcome them with open arms --so we'll see. :smile: Look at the 1920x1200 8xmsaa 16xaf results to see how hard I'll be twitching over that question.
 
So let's start decoding Geo's messages...

I think it would be a bit much to expect R600 to wallop 8800GTX

Overall performance less then a 100% increase over 8800...

I'm always very much in favor of positive surprises

But it could very well be around 50%...

So in other words, it's all pretty much positive isn't it? :D


P.S. I just can't decode the damn bandwidth statement! :devilish:
 
11kg? 1.1kg? 11kg is just plain nonsense, cases may weight 11kg, but not this card.

Didn't you hear about the brand new depleted uranium HSF it uses?

I'm still betting it's something to do with tiled based rendering. That was one of the more significant differences between standard GPUs and Xenos. Maybe they did a whole lot more than just decouple the ROPs. Besides for a lot of applications the ROPs are just wasted transistors. With the ROPs removed they'd have a general purpose processor that could be used for a whole lot of things.

One of the interesting features with EDRAM was that it had built in logic to handle a lot of the AA operations.
 
Wow you're talented - you got a performance advantage of 50-100% just from those statements? :D

Well what would be a positive surprise to you? 20% performance advantage six months later? Come on! It just HAS to be around 50%. I never said 50-100% though. I said less than a 100 and probably around 50! :D
 
Positive surprise would be a $300 sticker price...but fantasies aside, I'd be pretty happy with enough spare horsepower to leave me confident of good framerates at 1920x1200 2xAA in any title till Spring 2008. There's always room for cool architectural stuff for us to geek out over too :D
 
To expect too much in order to get frustrated afterwards is a form of masochism. The more conservative one holds his expectations the more chances he has to get pleasantly surprised.
 
On the other hand, artificially lowering your expectations isn't exactly to going to magnify your delight if they're easily exceeded :)
 
It was? I'm running a 1950 XTX and I hate its cooler as much as I hated the 1800/1900 design. Up, down, up, down. Tempted to just put that 1900 I installed the Zalman cooler on back in despite the (slight) performance difference.

Coolers can be had cheaply! Get one for the new card. Just be careful when you replace it so that you don't void the warranty. I'm a really big fan of... cooling solutions :).
 
On the other hand, artificially lowering your expectations isn't exactly to going to magnify your delight if they're easily exceeded :)

I guess for you the more the merrier doesn't have much value then.

Seriously now to expect +50% across the board is a mighty tall order. IMHO of course.
 
Yeah true. But I'm all played out...waiting for G80, waiting for R600. Must be getting old. In any case the waiting game is tiresome, which is why geo really, really sucks right now :D
 
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Yeah true. But I'm all played out...waiting for G80, waiting for R600. Must be getting old. In any case the waiting game is tiresome, which is why geo really, really sucks right now :D
With great power (NDA) comes great responsibility (jealousy). ;)
 
Seriously now to expect +50% across the board is a mighty tall order. IMHO of course.

Tall order? The power of the understatement! ;) Unless by "tall order" you mean "miracle from a parallel universe" :p ATI would probably sell their soul to average 50% increase in performance, let alone +50% across the board. But as a consumer, hey, if ATI can get 50% improvement across the board sign me up :cool:
 
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I wonder if the long board is a dual GPU board.
 
It was? I'm running a 1950 XTX and I hate its cooler as much as I hated the 1800/1900 design. Up, down, up, down. Tempted to just put that 1900 I installed the Zalman cooler on back in despite the (slight) performance difference.

Yeah? Most of the reviews I saw suggested it was much better, but then I can't report on the issue personally.
 
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