They have the option to not buy anything. They’re choosing to give Nvidia money even though they’re annoyed? Seems they’re not that annoyed after all.
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They have the option to not buy anything. They’re choosing to give Nvidia money even though they’re annoyed? Seems they’re not that annoyed after all.
You can definitely buy things while at the same time being annoyed at how expensive they are.They have the option to not buy anything. They’re choosing to give Nvidia money even though they’re annoyed? Seems they’re not that annoyed after all.
You can definitely buy things while at the same time being annoyed at how expensive they are.
I can believe that’s true for food and water and cell phone bills. Not graphics cards to play games. If you’re aactually annoyed that money stays in your pocket. Otherwise it’s just theater.
No, it can be true of all things. I'm annoyed that other people who aren't gaming will buy these GPUs for insane prices while jacking up the prices for gamers. I'm annoyed that Nvidia markets these GPUs towards gamers and professionals while seriously undercutting lower offerings in their stacks in other ways to screw over PC gamers. I'm annoyed that crypto shit and AI have given Nvidia so much confidence to screw over the market that created and sustained them.I can believe that’s true for food and water and cell phone bills. Not graphics cards to play games. If you’re aactually annoyed that money stays in your pocket. Otherwise it’s just theater.
I'm annoyed that Nvidia will continue this until they price gamers out of the market completely for their better GPUs. They are actively incentivizing the exchange of "gamers" for "professional developers" who will eventually be the only ones who can afford their high end and enthusiast GPUs while gamers get the leftovers at the mid and bottom of the stack.. which will still be overpriced garbage in all likelyhood.
I'm very annoyed that I'm already willing to pay up to $2000 for a single component of a PC. It's about principle.
Maybe for you but I purchased a 4080 super with heavy annoyance. The price was ridiculous and the performance is even more ridiculous for the price. However, the lack of a competitive option left only one choice. I needed a replacement graphics card and that was the only logical option.I can believe that’s true for food and water and cell phone bills. Not graphics cards to play games. If you’re aactually annoyed that money stays in your pocket. Otherwise it’s just theater.
If Intel or amd had a GPU with 4080 performance in the $650-$700 price tier, I’d have bought that instead, no questions asked. Instead amd wanted to sell a GPU with worse performance overall excluding software features at a comparable price. Then they wonder why they’re not getting any market share.
That's exactly what's going to happen... the annoyance comes from Nvidia taking advantage of the fact that some people (and the majority of them not gamers) will continue to... making your little protest of not buying it... worthless.Hmm what can I say. You guys are both highlighting the reason for the current pricing situation. If I don’t like the price of something I don’t buy it. It’s that simple.
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Which means that the pricing Nvidia has set is correct. Because the only way it wouldn't be is if nobody would be buying the product. And yes there were several such products from Nvidia in the past which were later followed up by much cheaper ones because nobody would buy them.That's exactly what's going to happen... the annoyance comes from Nvidia taking advantage of the fact that some people (and the majority of them not gamers) will continue to... making your little protest of not buying it... worthless.
Nobody is saying Nvidia isn't doing what's best for Nvidia..... It's not a hard concept that exchanging gamers for professionals who will pay higher prices pisses off and annoys gamers who wont.Which means that the pricing Nvidia has set is correct. Because the only way it wouldn't be is if nobody would be buying the product. And yes there were several such products from Nvidia in the past which were later followed up by much cheaper ones because nobody would buy them.
That's exactly what's going to happen... the annoyance comes from Nvidia taking advantage of the fact that some people (and the majority of them not gamers) will continue to... making your little protest of not buying it... worthless.
Yeah that’s how the market works unfortunately. Some people get left out. Things will only change if people refuse to pay the inflated prices en masse.
Yes.. gamers get left out.. as Nvidia prices them out of the market for their GPUs.Yeah that’s how the market works unfortunately. Some people get left out. Things will only change if people refuse to pay the inflated prices en masse.
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They are not exchanging gamers for anybody. There are more GPUs in the lineup than just the highest tier, and professionals tend to use cloud AI solutions these days. All these 4090s were bought primarily by gamers.Nobody is saying Nvidia isn't doing what's best for Nvidia..... It's not a hard concept that exchanging gamers for professionals who will pay higher prices pisses off and annoys gamers who wont.
They are not exchanging gamers for anybody. There are more GPUs in the lineup than just the highest tier, and professionals tend to use cloud AI solutions these days. All these 4090s were bought primarily by gamers.
Yeah unless professionals are installing Steam on all of their workstations gamers bought a boat load of 4090’s.
Yes they are. That is entirely their plan. Raise the prices until PC gamers won't or can't buy them, and use that as a reason to market and sell the top end GPUs to professionals instead.They are not exchanging gamers for anybody. There are more GPUs in the lineup than just the highest tier, and professionals tend to use cloud AI solutions these days. All these 4090s were bought primarily by gamers.
4090s were $1600... not $2000-2500. Where exactly do you think the pricing is heading towards? It's certainly not gamers. You always have this attitude like as if Nvidia is just following where the market takes them... but no... they're purposefully pushing the market aka gamers to the brink with the intention that either gamers buy it at these stupid as hell prices.. or professionals or other markets will and that silicon will go towards more lucrative markets.
Bubu there's lower tier GPUs.... doesn't change my point whatsoever. This idea that people can't or shouldn't be annoyed with what is happening with GPU prices is ridiculous.. There's absolutely NOTHING that warrants a potential $900 increase from the 4090 to the 5090 within a single generation. I'm already part of the problem, but I have my own limit.. and they're reaching it.
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So their plan is to leave the market which they have 90% control over and make billions from because... there is a GPU or two which is sold at $1000+?Yes they are. That is entirely their plan. Raise the prices until PC gamers won't or can't buy them, and use that as a reason to market and sell the top end GPUs to professionals instead.
I wonder if this plan has been failing for the last 20 years or so. They must be desperate at this point, nothing works, they are still the best gaming GPU vendor on the planet.
Yea, if you haven't noticed.. some things have changed over the past 20 years. Nvidia are no longer beholden to prices gamers will pay for their hardware.. they have other, better forms of revenue now. At least you admit they have 90% control of the market.. and the pricing of it. At this point I'm simply curious as to how far it has to go for you to realize they've screwed over gamers. But I know even if or when you do, you wont outwardly admit it , you're such an Nvidia apologist that you would rather congratulate them for it.. because hey... it was still worth the purchase for some people out there.. some people bought it.. can't be mad at that, nosir.So their plan is to leave the market which they have 90% control over and make billions from because... there is a GPU or two which is sold at $1000+?
I wonder if this plan has been failing for the last 20 years or so. They must be desperate at this point, nothing works, they are still the best gaming GPU vendor on the planet.
Yes they are. That is entirely their plan. Raise the prices until PC gamers won't or can't buy them, and use that as a reason to market and sell the top end GPUs to professionals instead.
Sorry this strategy doesn’t make any sense. If their plan is to sell expensive silicon to professionals nothing is stopping them from doing that right now. They don’t need to annoy gamers first.
The problem is that gamers continue to shell out big bucks for gaming cards and Nvidia is doing the only rational thing in that situation. Gamers have ALL the leverage and they’re refusing to use it. If people refuse to buy overpriced gaming cards Nvidia will just lower prices. They won’t abandon the market.
Yes there is a reason to do what they're doing. They're testing the max the gaming market will pay.. They learn the max that PC gamers will pay.. and then they will increase the price just above that. The next lower tier becomes the new PC gaming enthusiast tier that gamers can afford. This is essentially what has happened with the 4090 and the 4080 already. $1500+ 5080?? lmfao get the hell out of here. $2000-$2300 5090? A joke.Sorry this strategy doesn’t make any sense. If their plan is to sell expensive silicon to professionals nothing is stopping them from doing that right now. They don’t need to annoy gamers first.
The problem is that gamers continue to shell out big bucks for gaming cards and Nvidia is doing the only rational thing in that situation. Gamers have ALL the leverage in this situation and they’re refusing to use it. If people refuse to buy overpriced gaming cards Nvidia will just lower prices. They won’t abandon the market.
And I completely disagree that gamers have all the leverage.. lmao. They've never had less leverage against Nvidia than they do now. Nvidia does not need the gaming market at all anymore.. and they're starting to act like it.
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It's not about refusal at least not in a sense of an conscious act of refusing to buy something because of its price. The market works differently - it's about what you get for the money you're spending.Gamers have ALL the leverage and they’re refusing to use it. If people refuse to buy overpriced gaming cards Nvidia will just lower prices.
So for gamers to stop buying expensive GPUs these must stop provide something which make them worth buying.
The examples which failed which I know of failed because they weren't providing enough of performance uplift from a cheaper alternative.
Nvidia has obviously learned that very well which is why we don't have a 4080Ti on AD102 and are unlikely to have a 5080Ti on GB202 either. Also TU102 never left the 2080Ti SKU.
Everyone can bitch about it but these expensive cards sell because they provide value to those who buy them. Simply "refusing" to buy them won't work since you won't be able to coordinate a worldwide refusal of buying some product which seems like a good deal for the value it provides. So for everyone to stop buying these cards - which would in fact lead to Nvidia making changes in the lineup, not necessarily making these products cheaper mind you but making other products at lower price points - they have to miss with their value when designing the lineup. It's not impossible to do but so far they haven't and thus they continue to sell.
It's not about refusal at least not in a sense of an conscious act of refusing to buy something because of its price. The market works differently - it's about what you get for the money you're spending.
So for gamers to stop buying expensive GPUs these must stop provide something which make them worth buying.
The examples which failed which I know of failed because they weren't providing enough of performance uplift from a cheaper alternative.
Nvidia has obviously learned that very well which is why we don't have a 4080Ti on AD102 and are unlikely to have a 5080Ti on GB202 either. Also TU102 never left the 2080Ti SKU.
Everyone can bitch about it but these expensive cards sell because they provide value to those who buy them. Simply "refusing" to buy them won't work since you won't be able to coordinate a worldwide refusal of buying some product which seems like a good deal for the value it provides. So for everyone to stop buying these cards - which would in fact lead to Nvidia making changes in the lineup, not necessarily making these products cheaper mind you but making other products at lower price points - they have to miss with their value when designing the lineup. It's not impossible to do but so far they haven't and thus they continue to sell.
Yep, that’s exactly right. Clearly the broader market (OEM and retail) thinks these things are worth the price otherwise they wouldn’t sell. That’s how this works. Anyone who is out of sync with broader market sentiment gets to be pissed off and claim everyone else is dumb for paying but in the end those people don’t matter. For prices to change there needs to a broad refusal to pay either because the competition is offering better value or because people just outright refuse to pay for poor value.
HWUB’s latest GPU recommendation video has AMD cards in every price segment. Yet actual sales trends don’t reflect that at all. So clearly there’s a disconnect between what the online gaming community is saying and what people are actually buying.