I'd say that there's little chance that 5080 will launch at less than $1200.
4080 has "suffered its fate" (as in was selling just fine in fact; the Internet buzz isn't really that indicative of how something is selling) because people viewed its value as low in comparison to a +33% more expensive 4090.
Unfortunately, for that ideal process to work, humans would have to behave in a clearly rational manner. Instead, what is more likely to happen is that Nvidia will piss off a certain segment of buyers to the point that they’ll lose them permanently. There are just way to many examples in the past of Nvidia pricing themselves out of the market. It’ll almost certainly occur again. People are already upset with them for selling 50 cards as 60, attempting to sell 70 cards as 80. Looking at the leaked specs for the 5000 series, many cards have been moved down the stack.
Nvidia’s profits are certainly not my concern. There are not very many companies that operate in the manner Nvidia does. Their prices are already outrageous and with the way their pricing their products, it leaves very little room for price growth due to inflation.
Nvidia’s profit for gaming are mostly irrelevant. They make 25 billion + a quarter from data center and 2 billion+ for gaming. They’re playing an unnecessarily dangerous game and they’re going to find out.
If 4080 was selling fine, Nvidia would not have dropped the price noticeably when releasing the super variant. The 4080 super had almost no improvement to the specs and no noticeable performance improvements. It was just a price cut.
By that "logic" everything below 4090 wasn't selling well while 4090 and 4060 and 4060Ti were - with the latter being universally panned for what they've brought to the market.
Yes, I’m not sure how you’d arrive at that conclusion using that logic. The 4090 didn’t receive a price drop and actually saw prices increase across the board from third parties. This signifies that it perhaps may have been selling too well at that price. Since the rest of your post builds from this point, I won’t respond to it. I contest that your initial premise is false.
If you wait you may see a 24GB 5080 Super or something like that. Or an 18GB 5070 Super is also likely IMO.
That seems contrary. If there are loads of examples of nVidia offending consumers, why they now have a 90% market share?
I disagree. I see plenty of examples of products with vastly inflated prices these days because consumers have gotten used to paying more. Starbucks has increased in price above inflation to drive bigger profits. Whey protein used to be a cheap by-product of the cheese industry but now it's charged at top dollar with supplements tripling in cost in the UK over a few years.
Are you suggesting they price their GPUs around cost as a charity? Do the gamers a favour?
Once GPUs hit $2000 msrp on the top end base models, I'm done. Just completely ridiculous.
That's how I felt for literally years holding onto my 970. Eventually the 970 was so hopelessly obsolete I had to bite the bullet. I went AMD (MSI 6700XT) because the 4000 series pricing was offensive to me. Turns out my 6700XT was defective and after the second RMA I overnighted a 4070 while in a fugue state after the 3rd 6700XT crashed my computer. The value proposition of the 4070 was underwhelming to say the least but the card does actually work.
There were numerous options for upgrade from 970, starting with 1060, then 2060, then 3060.
All that stuff didn't impress me. The 1060 wasn't much of an upgrade but it did have more memory. But ultimately me being unimpressed led to a pretty poor gaming experience
though you'd be surprised how well the 970 held up until the PS5/XSX came out. Hell the Xbox Series S isn't that much better than the 970.Because there is no competition in the GPU space? They’re option is buy nvidia who offers the best performance and features or save $50 and buy an amd GPU which has worse features and worse performance. If you amortize the price difference over the length of ownership, the price difference is basically irrelevant? It’s not surprising that 90 percent would choose the better option?
Just as there are many examples of products with inflated prices, there are also lots of products with deflated prices since the Covid inflation spike. I think we should stay within the bounds of our discussion which is GPU/electronic prices.
Nope but I think it’s key to highlight a vast difference in pricing strategies.
The way Nvidia operates is not the way the world operates at all. Most companies do not operate with a gross margin in excess of 60%. When you compare the price gouging from Nvidia compared to Apple for example, the difference is quite noticeable. Apple is often derided for their excessive pricing and Nvidia makes their pricing strategy look like child’s play.