Review of 9700Pro @ ixbt.com

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http://www.ixbt.com/video2/r9700pro.shtml

The article is in russian, but the graphs aren't They used quite an interensting bunch of benchmarks and screenshots...

 

[alexsok]

Since I'm a native Russian, I got to admit that this is the best review I've seen of the R9700pro! (together with Wavey's of course).

I agree though, they used a different method than all the other reviews (they have their own benchmark, which will soon become open source).

It will soon appear on Digit Life in it's english version.

 

[Galilee]

Wow that was a pretty big review. Lots of focus on 3dmark, but great either way. I don't know shit russian, but I can look at the pictures

But I must say I am surpriced by the Serious Sam, and the Unreal Tournament 2003 DEMO b.927 numbers. Driverissue?

 

[David G.]

One werid thing though : the R300 gets it's ass kicked in 90% of the benchmarks which .... I don't buy .

 

[Galilee]

Hu? Didnt it win all of them except Serious Sam and UT2003? (and RTCW and Commance, but they are sort of strange and cpulimited).

 

[alexsok]

One werid thing though : the R300 gets it's ass kicked in 90% of the benchmarks which .... I don't buy .

Quite the opposite: the gf4ti4600 gets it's ass kicked by r300 in all tests, except some tests where the shader commands are short which gives less programmable chips an advantage (obviously).

In one test there, I think it was with AA & Aniso, R300 beats TI4600 by 400%!

But obviously, this is a very unfair comparison, since R300 is a next-gen chip, while gf4ti4600 is a previous generation chip.

The real deal will come with NV30!

 

[John Reynolds]

The real deal will come with NV30!

A statement which implies the 9700 isn't a real DX9 card (at least that's how I'm interpreting it). Can we please stop with this BS fanb*y crap? This is not the forum for it, you have a wide selection of Nvidia fan site forums where such cheerleading wouldn't result in endless arguing against ATi fans.

None of the above should be construed as negative commentary on the NV30. I wish it were shipping this week, too.

 

[Galilee]

I think he meant that it's better to compare R300 to NV30 when it comes because they are both dx9 cards, and are from the same "generation" of cards.
But I do agree, it's no point in talking about NV30 yet.

 

[alexsok]

A statement which implies the 9700 isn't a real DX9 card (at least that's how I'm interpreting it). Can we please stop with this BS fanb*y crap? This is not the forum for it, you have a wide selection of Nvidia fan site forums where such cheerleading wouldn't result in endless arguing against ATi fans.

None of the above should be construed as negative commentary on the NV30. I wish it were shipping this week, too.

My god, can't I say a single word without being blamed for fanatism?!

I meant that the real deal will come when NV30 comes out, cause then the comparison will be decent, between two next-gen parts.

Geez, John, sorry if u misunderstood me!

 

[John Reynolds]

My god, can't I say a single word without being blamed for fanatism?!

I meant that the real deal will come when NV30 comes out, cause then the comparison will be decent, between two next-gen parts.

Geez, John, sorry if u misunderstood me!

Look, I'm not trying to be unfair and single you out. There are plenty of ATi fanb*ys on this forum who annoy me, too. I'm just sick of all the cheerleading and blatant bias some people consistently exhibit on these forums, and the unnecessary noise that results from it when the two 'camps' inevitably start their endless bickering. I've asked and asked in PMs to various people for a cease and desist on such behavior and these requests have obviously been ignored.

 

[alexsok]

Look, I'm not trying to be unfair and single you out. There are plenty of ATi fanb*ys on this forum who annoy me, too. I'm just sick of all the cheerleading and blatant bias some people consistently exhibit on these forums, and the unnecessary noise that results from it when the two 'camps' inevitably start their endless bickering. I've asked and asked in PMs to various people for a cease and desist on such behavior and these requests have obviously been ignored.

Wait a second there!

Did I ignore your request?

In my post, I stated that R9700pro blows gf4ti4600 away and that when nv30 comes out, we'll see the real winner between them.

What did I do wrong? I messed up yesterday, I agree, but hey, give me a chance!

 

[Neeyik]

What do you do wrong? I'll say it, even if nobody else will...you constantly and I mean constantly go on about NVIDIA and the bloody NV30. There hardly goes a thread without you making some reference to it or what your "sources" are telling you.

It's the way you word things too - "The real deal with come with the NV30!" could have been stated in a far more mature way, such "Comparing the R300 to the GF4 is a little unfair anyway. It's a bit like testing a GF3 against a GF2 - truly fair comparisons can only be made once the R300 has an opponent in the same field, and for that we must wait for the NV30 or any other such similar card to appear".

 

[multigl2]

I meant that the real deal will come when NV30 comes out, cause then the comparison will be decent, between two next-gen parts.

may I ask why we need to wait till the NV30 comes out to do some comparisons? I mean, when the GF4 was released, and it was compared to ATi's top of the line at the time, it was clear the older radeon8500 was losing. I don't recal saying "Wait till the R300 comes out then you can have the decent comparison." I mean, if your going to compare the R300 to anything from NVIDIA, wouldn't you think, at this time, the only reasonable comparison is to the GF4 regardless of what chip can and can't do? Simple speaking, these benchmarks are pitting the two (sometimes 3, parhelia inc.) highest end consumer cards available against eachother. No matter how many times you say it, you won't stop the GF4 to R300 comparisons.

 

[Doomtrooper]

That makes far too much sense...the Nv30 will not be compared to the 9700 we have today

 

[alexsok]

may I ask why we need to wait till the NV30 comes out to do some comparisons? I mean, when the GF4 was released, and it was compared to ATi's top of the line at the time, it was clear the older radeon8500 was losing. I don't recal saying "Wait till the R300 comes out then you can have the decent comparison." I mean, if your going to compare the R300 to anything from NVIDIA, wouldn't you think, at this time, the only reasonable comparison is to the GF4 regardless of what chip can and can't do? Simple speaking, these benchmarks are pitting the two (sometimes 3, parhelia inc.) highest end consumer cards available against eachother. No matter how many times you say it, you won't stop the GF4 to R300 comparisons.

Did I say I wanted to stop that comparisons?

Obviously the GF4 will be compared to R300 no matter what, all I said is that the more "right" comparison would be between R300 & NV30, since they are both next-gen solutions, that's all!

Neeyik - you're right, but I don't think there is something wrong about me bringing NV30 info to the forum. I stated countless times that u can take it as you will: rumour, truth, whatever. My purpose was to arise intresting discussions about NV30 and the technologies lying within and compare them to R300 (not in a "Nvidia vs ATI" kind of way).
But yes I agree, I should have expressed myself more clearly to avoid confusions.

 

[jjayb]

Kind of hard to have an "interesting discussion" about something we know nothing about. No matter what you or anyone else say about your reliable sources, it means nothing until Nvidia officially releases the specs. People with "reliable sources" have been wrong before and will be wrong again.

 

[John Reynolds]

That makes far too much sense...the Nv30 will not be compared to the 9700 we have today

You can't say that. Maybe your ATi contacts have told you the company plans on releasing something faster, an R350 or some faster variant of the 9700 boards, but just as Nvidia planned on having NV30 production ramping months sooner your plans don't always work out. Time, as always, will tell.

 

[Doomtrooper]

That is true John, but getting 400 mhz core on a overclock and the 9700 Memory controller supporting DDR II should hint at something...

 

[Dio]

That makes far too much sense...the Nv30 will not be compared to the 9700 we have today

You can't say that.

The problem is, if it's reasonable for people to post unsubstantiated rumours on nv30 and discuss it against R9700 as though it was in their systems and they knew a lot about it, people will want to discuss any putative followups to R9700 (that have been theorised about in just as many locations, although with less hype).

If nv30 vs R9700 comparisons are OK, why does only one of the chips have to be vapourware?

Isn't it unfair and disingenuous to hold strong opinion or make argument about any vapourware - ATI or nvidia?

 

[Dave Baumann]

Isn't it unfair and disingenuous to hold strong opinion or make argument about any vapourware - ATI or nvidia?

I think that is Johns point. Lots of us have been annoyed at Alexsok's constnat NV30 babble and we've told him so - likewise the same should be shown elsewhere.