releasing multiple versions of next gen consoles

[zurich]

Yeah, 720p isn't really that much of a standard anyways

 

[KnightBreed]

Yeah, 720p isn't really that much of a standard anyways

Not sure if your post was tongue in cheek, but there are dozens of DLP and LCD front and rear projection units that support 720p natively.

In fact, if you plan on buying a non-CRT rear projection television, your likely to get 720p (or possibly XGA) native.

 

[malcolm]

They seem to be taking support as meaning you can connect it
I mean full quality ( the same quality ) on all resolutions.
1080p needs 5 times faster pixelperformance than 480p, i think people here understimate how big that difference is.
Basicaly what i sugested is for xbox2 to be released with a mainstream and high end graphics card equivalent for 480p and 720p.
I was asuming the xbox had high end equivalent? if not the xbox2 could ship with low end mainstream and highend for 480 720 and 1080

People here seem to be talking like resolution isnt important, why do so many buy a 9800xt then? this is the only difference with a 9200 and 9600.

And saying the next gen will be optimized for 1080 doesnt make any sense either since all those people with 480 tv's would be paying way to much, and the quality would be lower than it would be with the multiple versions.

 

[jvd]

I dunno . Hdtv is getting screwed big time .

Was in best buy and not only are there all the diffrent versions of hdtv but now there is edtv which seems to be even lower than hdtv and the tvs are cheaper. No clue why they are doing this .

 

[London Geezer]

Consoles today have the potential to run any kind of resolution, up to 1080i (performance issues aside). I don't see how having a 480p console at $300 and a 1080i one at $600. could be considered a good idea.

And, isn't DOUBLE THE PRICE a bit too much just for the same thing but at higher resolution? A bit too much if you ask me...

Now, if we're talking about a high-end version with LOADS more features, then fine i can take then. Kinda like PS2 compared to PSX... I could live with that...

But doubling the price just for an increase in resolution is ridiculous.

Furthermore, having 2 differnt systems to begin with, even at realistically more simila price-points would just be wrong. The console market is what it is because a console is unique in itself. We've all seen the frustration of dividing the market with add-ons and such... This is the same...

 

[malcolm]

What you can run on a radeon 9800 in 1280x960 you can run on a radeon 9200 in 640x480 at exactly the same quality settings and framerate, so what youre saying doesnt make any sense because this is the only difference between having a 9200 and a 9800, so why are people getting the high end version?

 

[malcolm]

And i dont think double the price is to much.
A hdtv costs twice as much as a normal one at the same size.

 

[notAFanB]

What you can run on a radeon 9800 in 1280x960 you can run on a radeon 9200 in 640x480 at exactly the same quality settings and framerate, so what youre saying doesnt make any sense because this is the only difference between having a 9200 and a 9800, so why are people getting the high end version?

And why do you think that is exactly? Fillrate to burn? or developer under use?

What you bring up would be a good Idea if only to fragment the market in the same generation. Have ordinary version and uber options for the wealthy (or insane).

 

[London Geezer]

What you can run on a radeon 9800 in 1280x960 you can run on a radeon 9200 in 640x480 at exactly the same quality settings and framerate, so what youre saying doesnt make any sense because this is the only difference between having a 9200 and a 9800, so why are people getting the high end version?

Because the PC market is extremely different from the Console market. Maybe that's why you are not really understanding what some people are trying to tell you.

The only way someone SHOULD (and will for a long time) divide the market is when providing many radically different features that make the second high-end platform stand out as "something else". See the emispherically different approaches with PS2 and PSX.

A (for example) PS2 at double the price with everything being the same as an old PS2 with the difference of being able to run at 720p would be laughed at by pretty much everyone. Me included.

Try to think "consoles", not "PC".

 

[StefanS]

Because the PC market is extremely different from the Console market. Maybe that's why you are not really understanding what some people are trying to tell you.

The only way someone SHOULD (and will for a long time) divide the market is when providing many radically different features that make the second high-end platform stand out as "something else". See the emispherically different approaches with PS2 and PSX.

A (for example) PS2 at double the price with everything being the same as an old PS2 with the difference of being able to run at 720p would be laughed at by pretty much everyone. Me included.

Try to think "consoles", not "PC".

Nintendo and Panasonic had 2 versions of the GCN released and look what happened. The Q, though a high quality product with many features of good DVD players, bombed big time due to its price difference...

 

[London Geezer]

Nintendo and Panasonic had 2 versions of the GCN released and look what happened. The Q, though a high quality product with many features of good DVD players, bombed big time due to its price difference...

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Exactly what i'm saying... The thing was only released in Japan. And we all know Japan also got like 10 version of Saturn, to name but one...

 

[akira888]

Actually, Saturn did fairly well in Japan for whatever it's worth.

 

[notAFanB]

Actually, Saturn did fairly well in Japan for whatever it's worth.

I'm pretty sure London-Boy is referring to when Sega allowed JVC (among others) to make and package saturns in the East.

Not the sales themselves (whihc matched and often outpaced PS1 on occasion, but correct me if I'm wrong here)

 

[London Geezer]

Actually, Saturn did fairly well in Japan for whatever it's worth.

I'm aware of that, but that wasn't my point

I'd love to have had a nice silver Saturn (was it the JVD.. or Hitachi one???)... How many Saturns were there anyway? V-Saturn, Hi-Saturn, Super-Ultracool-Saturn-Special-Extended-Limited-Edition... Just how many of them are there?

 

[notAFanB]

I had the uber lovely slinkyWhite Saturn (LE if I remember correctly), modded and enjoyed 3 years of Wacky Japan titles.......*swoon*

 

[KnightBreed]

I dunno . Hdtv is getting screwed big time .

Was in best buy and not only are there all the diffrent versions of hdtv but now there is edtv which seems to be even lower than hdtv and the tvs are cheaper. No clue why they are doing this .

Screwed how, exactly? Every good digital televisions will accept any digital and up/down convert to their native display. The *DTV standards are more or less different resolution standards.

SDTV is standard 4:3 640x480 (interlaced)
EDTV is standard 16:9 DVD resolution 850x480 (progressive)
HDTV is either 1280x720 or 1920x1080 (progressive or interlaced)

 

[KnightBreed]

Thankfully, even with all of these different standards, the major broadcast networks, like Fox, CBS, ABC, and NBC, have been sticking with 720p or 1080i. Fox was practically alone in broadcasting EDTV while they got their infrastructure in place. I think they've recently migrated to 1080i (if they haven't, it will be soon).

HD-DVD will be encoded in 1080p from the get-go. I don't care if there are a hundred different resolution standards, because as far as I can see, the content providers are sticking to the standards. How often does that happen?!

 

[Brimstone]

I would like to be able to link systems together for additional processing power. A cable to link two PS3's or Xbox 2's together for higher resolutions or dual screen mode (two TV's side by side) would be a really cool feature.


Imagine playing the latest Tony Hawk game with a 3 screen setup. While the center screen would be used most, the ability to check whats to the left or right of you with just a quick glance would add a lot more depth to the game play.

Same thing would go for sports games like John Madden Football or FIFA soccer.