PS2 US/Europe HDD Details

[Grall]

Your sheer idiocy surprises me too.. Xbox comes with a built in "free" HD. Cant complain about that.

Thing is, I'm *not* the one complaining here! You however complain about PS2 being 5400rpm HD when XB HD is 5400rpm also, don't you understand the level of double standard you display here? You gloat over the fact PS2 HD is slow-spinning while XB is no LESS slow-spinning than PS2, AND is as little as 1/5th in capacity as well... That discrepancy is just completely mindboggling!

You have to fork out Xtra money to get a PS2 HD

Yes, so what? Peripherals usually cost money you know! If there's a point here OTHER than your regular whining and bitching at Sony/PS2, please let me know alright?

and for that price/effort, its not even a 7200rpm.

Oh, and how much exactly in the way of a performance increase do you expect to gain from a step up from 5400 to 7200? Remember, such a 5400rpm HD should be capable of filling all of PS2 RAM in 4 seconds AT MOST. 7200 rpm is only 33% faster, you seriously believe that's a cost-effective trade-off, 4 seconds vs. 2.7 seconds?

Does this strike anyone (other than Chap, I mean) as anything but sheer and utter fanboyism? If anything, XB is the console needing a 7200rpm HD with almost twice the total RAM, but nooooo... You only have nice stuffs to say about that drive. You save all your biased drivel for Sony's products.


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[notAFanB]

The xbox live and the ps2 broad band adapter did not.

well to be fair xbox live should (conceptually) span across gereations without too much trouble. the PS2 BB is a dead duck with PS3 around the corner tho......unless horror of horrors Sony 'doesn't' include one in PS3.

 

[David_South#1]

The future ? In a year to a year and a half the future will be the ps3. This is an add on for a handfull of games like the gamecubes modem.

You didn't understand why I said "in-roads."

PS3 is supposed to be an online gaming console, right?
You really need to do something to subsidize building such a large network.
You also need to nurture the market’s interest in such a network.

Xbox box got this down right from the start.
No need to build a giant network when you don't know how many user/devices it will support.
They started and kept building it to keep pace with what exists. = Minimal over-spending.

I honestly don't think we will see the PS3 for a while.
And following my logic, I feel it is unwise to building something for nothing, that really exists.
I think Sony should start making a serious push now!

Don't charge for the network adaptor. Bundle it with a good game.
Or say: “Buy any $50 online game & get DD adapter free.â€￾
Sell the HDD for the price of the games that come bundled with it.
I’m certainly not buying it for FFXI.

Start up your service plans. Get subscribers. FFXI... I'm not biting. Truth.
So keep working on that. Get people using your console online.

If they don't start now. It will be like restarting with a new PS2, labeled PS3.
No network worth mentioning and no existing games that use an HDD.
They need to start making these games now.
Or like with Xbox the curve for learning to use it will take a while.

*Sigh* Damn, I just want to work for Sony.

 

[jvd]

The future ? In a year to a year and a half the future will be the ps3. This is an add on for a handfull of games like the gamecubes modem.

You didn't understand why I said "in-roads."

PS3 is supposed to be an online gaming console, right?
You really need to do something to subsidize building such a large network.
You also need to nurture the market’s interest in such a network.

Xbox box got this down right from the start.
No need to build a giant network when you don't know how many user/devices it will support.
They started and kept building it to keep pace with what exists. = Minimal over-spending.

I honestly don't think we will see the PS3 for a while.
And following my logic, I feel it is unwise to building something for nothing, that really exists.
I think Sony should start making a serious push now!

Don't charge for the network adaptor. Bundle it with a good game.
Or say: “Buy any $50 online game & get DD adapter free.â€￾
Sell the HDD for the price of the games that come bundled with it.
I’m certainly not buying it for FFXI.

Start up your service plans. Get subscribers. FFXI... I'm not biting. Truth.
So keep working on that. Get people using your console online.

If they don't start now. It will be like restarting with a new PS2, labeled PS3.
No network worth mentioning and no existing games that use an HDD.
They need to start making these games now.
Or like with Xbox the curve for learning to use it will take a while.

*Sigh* Damn, I just want to work for Sony.

I don't understand what your saying. Sony makes some of the biggest online pc games. Everquest , Star wars galixes ... um mabye something else. But anyway they know how many users a certian server can handle. The only company that did the internet gaming was sega . They bundled in the modem (granted this was just a 56k but in 99 there were few house holds with broadband) Then a year later the built a network to support the userbase that had dreamcasts. Not everyone went on line but the network was more than capable of handling all those that did. That is what ms and sony should have done. That is looking to the future. Not adding online games 3 or 4 years after launch . Not charging for the hardware required to go online .

 

[notAFanB]

That is what ms and sony should have done. That is looking to the future. Not adding online games 3 or 4 years after launch . Not charging for the hardware required to go online .

I don't dispute that segas model was good for us gamers but do you really think that it was in any way sustainable in the long term? what about keeping up with network tech as it come? somethings gotta give.

 

[jvd]

That is what ms and sony should have done. That is looking to the future. Not adding online games 3 or 4 years after launch . Not charging for the hardware required to go online .

I don't dispute that segas model was good for us gamers but do you really think that it was in any way sustainable in the long term? what about keeping up with network tech as it come? somethings gotta give.

I think sega's model would have worked very very well. They had a ton of people subsribing to thier isp . They were actually making money off the service . Some games work well peer to peer. Like a quake or halo game. But an ultima online type game needs servers. I highly doubt sony or ms will let you play a game like that for free. Not when sony is currently making 14.99 a month off galixes. Sega on the other hand was going to include all its games in a monthly payment . They allso had a 100% sell through on thier modem. Sony and ms has no where near that amount. We have all learned in the past that add ons don't sell the same amount as the console it self sells . If the ps2 system came from the start with a bba then there would be 50 million people that can go online. So an online feature would have been included in almost every game. Instead of how it is now .

 

[chaphack]

wow, just wow...so Grall just what dont you get?

As i said 99USD is not that bad of a price but it could have been better, considering that you can get a 40GB 7200rpm today for 40bucks and for a game preinstalled(assuming no fancy disc/case/manual), it be costing what? 30-40bucks? 99USD, next year, just dont cut it from a consumer POV.

If MS did not include a HDD in the original Xbox and output their own 5400rpm 40GB HD + TFLO USD99 bundle, next year, i would still do yakkatiyakking against them.

As for performance, wont know about the PS2, but 5400 vs 7200 on PC does have a marked difference IMXP. As a paying consumer, shouldnt one expect the best out of the price paid? Who cares if Sony/MS is losing money on their hardware? I dont. Sony/MS dont pay for my class fees.

 

[notAFanB]

As for performance, wont know about the PS2, but 5400 vs 7200 on PC does have a marked difference IMXP.

on a PC? running windows? yes.

on a closed system where the Disk is another storage subsystem with predictable parameters it's a moot point, at least for this generation.

 

[jvd]

wow, just wow...so Grall just what dont you get?

As i said 99USD is not that bad of a price but it could have been better, considering that you can get a 40GB 7200rpm today for 40bucks and for a game preinstalled(assuming no fancy disc/case/manual), it be costing what? 30-40bucks? 99USD, next year, just dont cut it from a consumer POV.

If MS did not include a HDD in the original Xbox and output their own 5400rpm 40GB HD + TFLO USD99 bundle, next year, i would still do yakkatiyakking against them.

As for performance, wont know about the PS2, but 5400 vs 7200 on PC does have a marked difference IMXP. As a paying consumer, shouldnt one expect the best out of the price paid? Who cares if Sony/MS is losing money on their hardware? I dont. Sony/MS dont pay for my class fees.

Chap the price is not bad with a game . Its not just that. Its the price / amount of games for it / speed of the drive / and release date. This thing is coming at the end game of the ps2. Its surely just here for those 2 games that were built with it in mind. With only a year or so of top quality games coming out for this system (if the ps3 is not delayed) then there really wont be much support for this. Its like the gamecube modem. 1 game and the modem costs about 80$ but there is only one game that needs it . Its basicly worth it unless you really really want to play pso.

 

[chaphack]

Well, i dont know, but my Xbox does sometimes feel sluggish when i am running some of my "other" stuffs. Wonder if anyone with a Xchanged 80GB 7200rpm HDD? How does it feel? Though the increased space would just be plain ahhhhhh....so many more possibilities

 

[chaphack]

Chap the price is not bad with a game . Its not just that. Its the price / amount of games for it / speed of the drive / and release date. This thing is coming at the end game of the ps2. Its surely just here for those 2 games that were built with it in mind. With only a year or so of top quality games coming out for this system (if the ps3 is not delayed) then there really wont be much support for this. Its like the gamecube modem. 1 game and the modem costs about 80$ but there is only one game that needs it . Its basicly worth it unless you really really want to play pso.

yes. that is another thing. i see.

I think if Sony sold their online bundle(with NA) at a better cut-throat price, they might be able to push more units and thus stronger reasons for developers to work on better HDD enabled/online PS2 games, it helps to build a better groundwork for PS3 online too.

BUT thats Sony problem. Too bad for them whatever.

 

[notAFanB]

stick to the games chap. you have the PC for everything else

er we are talking about PR0n right?

I think if Sony sold their online bundle(with NA) at a better cut-throat price.....

unless they literally gave it away (ala Xbox) then they'd still have trouble. seriouly it's a bad investment considering the milage considerin that PS3 is only 14+ mnths away.

of course it would be 'nice' if it could be carried over to the PS3 without too much trouble but I have doubts whether Sony will do so.

 

[chaphack]

i sure do. being spending waaaay more time on my PC.

eh PRon? nope. i will get killed for that. :?

 

[chaphack]

Still on FFXI, new benchie is out
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/benchmark_02.html

At Low settings, simply a lowres shimmery mess, which i assume the PS2 version is about... without the VGA output.

At High, the game looks more inline with your usual PC games(though traces of shimmer can still be seen). Nice.

So benchie away!

 

[maskrider]

Still on FFXI, new benchie is out
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/benchmark_02.html

At Low settings, simply a lowres shimmery mess, which i assume the PS2 version is about... without the VGA output.

At High, the game looks more inline with your usual PC games(though traces of shimmer can still be seen). Nice.

So benchie away!

That's what you assume, but I have seen many people playing PS2 FF XI on TVs (reasonable size and quality) and they all looks pretty nice to me. The people at the shops are playing it all day and only pause a while when someone buys or asks something.

The PC benchmark is not looking as good, may be the pitch of the monitor is too fine.

 

[chaphack]

Still on FFXI, new benchie is out
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/benchmark_02.html

At Low settings, simply a lowres shimmery mess, which i assume the PS2 version is about... without the VGA output.

At High, the game looks more inline with your usual PC games(though traces of shimmer can still be seen). Nice.

So benchie away!

That's what you assume, but I have seen many people playing PS2 FF XI on TVs (reasonable size and quality) and they all looks pretty nice to me. The people at the shops are playing it all day and only pause a while when someone buys or asks something.

The PC benchmark is not looking as good, may be the pitch of the monitor is too fine.

Dont ask me. People who played the PS2 game complained taht FFXI was shimmery mess with hicupity framerates. The game itself was pretty interesting though.

 

[maskrider]

Still on FFXI, new benchie is out
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/benchmark_02.html

At Low settings, simply a lowres shimmery mess, which i assume the PS2 version is about... without the VGA output.

At High, the game looks more inline with your usual PC games(though traces of shimmer can still be seen). Nice.

So benchie away!

That's what you assume, but I have seen many people playing PS2 FF XI on TVs (reasonable size and quality) and they all looks pretty nice to me. The people at the shops are playing it all day and only pause a while when someone buys or asks something.

The PC benchmark is not looking as good, may be the pitch of the monitor is too fine.

Dont ask me. People who played the PS2 game complained taht FFXI was shimmery mess with hicupity framerates. The game itself was pretty interesting though.

People who will complain complains all the time, and people who don't have a problem will not post a praise usually.

The sampling is just plain skewed if you only count the complaints.

I stand at a shop and see the guy playing FF XI on PS2 for more than 10 minutes (as I said before, on a reasonable TV), I see nice stuffs than problems and he didn't seem to be willing to serve me than concentrating on his game.

 

[jvd]

Still on FFXI, new benchie is out
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/benchmark_02.html

At Low settings, simply a lowres shimmery mess, which i assume the PS2 version is about... without the VGA output.

At High, the game looks more inline with your usual PC games(though traces of shimmer can still be seen). Nice.

So benchie away!

That's what you assume, but I have seen many people playing PS2 FF XI on TVs (reasonable size and quality) and they all looks pretty nice to me. The people at the shops are playing it all day and only pause a while when someone buys or asks something.

The PC benchmark is not looking as good, may be the pitch of the monitor is too fine.

Dont ask me. People who played the PS2 game complained taht FFXI was shimmery mess with hicupity framerates. The game itself was pretty interesting though.

People who will complain complains all the time, and people who don't have a problem will not post a praise usually.

The sampling is just plain skewed if you only count the complaints.

I stand at a shop and see the guy playing FF XI on PS2 for more than 10 minutes (as I said before, on a reasonable TV), I see nice stuffs than problems and he didn't seem to be willing to serve me than concentrating on his game.

I'm sorry having worked at a video game store we would often throw cards into a hat to entertain ourselfs. It got that boring. You may think we have all these games to play. But most games we either own or they suck really bad . Also ebx and gamestop stores don't allow employees to play games at work anymore. So if you were ta one of those stores they were either doing something against the rules or off the clock

 

[maskrider]

People who will complain complains all the time, and people who don't have a problem will not post a praise usually.

The sampling is just plain skewed if you only count the complaints.

I stand at a shop and see the guy playing FF XI on PS2 for more than 10 minutes (as I said before, on a reasonable TV), I see nice stuffs than problems and he didn't seem to be willing to serve me than concentrating on his game.

I'm sorry having worked at a video game store we would often throw cards into a hat to entertain ourselfs. It got that boring. You may think we have all these games to play. But most games we either own or they suck really bad . Also ebx and gamestop stores don't allow employees to play games at work anymore. So if you were ta one of those stores they were either doing something against the rules or off the clock

The situation is a bit different here in Hong Kong as the games shops I was referring to are small ones and the guys who are playing the game are the respective owner/partner of the shops. Their eyes are almost always on the TV than the door/store front.