I suggest you actually read the HardOCP review. The CPUs they used are the Core i7 965, a $1,000 CPU. The other Intel chip was a Core 2 Quad QX9770 which is a $1,400 processor. Which already shows how stupid and ridiculous their review is. Additionally the comments of an OC'd comparison are completely invalid. A Q9400 at 3.2GHz != a stock QX9770. The Q9400 is equipped with 6MB of cache, half the size of a QX9770's 12MB. This extended to the overclock comparison, where again the most expensive of Intel options were used. The Phenom II isn't going to compete against those, this is painfully obvious. *snip*
I repeat, since you have a hard to understanding:
If I OC a Q9400 to 3.2Ghz, it will beat a OC'ed Phenom2 @ 3.2Ghz.
Those are facts!
Now if you do not understand that they used a more expensive chip, because they happend to have one, and the results would have been the SAME if they had OC'ed an CHEAPER chip, then you are just a waste of time.
ALL reviews agrees that the Phenom2 is slower, clock for clock to the Core2Quads.
Period!
Again.
PERIOD!
Now the Phenom2 and Core2Quads overclock the to about the same Hz...
But a Phenom @ 3.8Ghz cannot beat a Core2Quad @ 3.2Ghz.
So your fallacy about prive does nothing but prove you ignorance in that regard.
Feel free to post data that whows otherwise...untill then, you are a waste of my time.
Which puts the Q9400 and Phenom 920 at parity. Again, motherboard pricing comes into play. Limited win? Yes, but a win. I already stated this, it is fact.
Not a win...more like showing up 2 years late.
Then build a Core i7 system. The Phenom II never even seriously appeared to be an option. These results are not shocking and they're completely in line with what has been reasonably expected for some time. In fact, Tech Report did a review of Shanghi several weeks ago that firmly cemented what the consumer part (Phenom II) would produce. While I'm sure AMD would have loved to fulfill your budget path, it is simply not reality and they'll work with what they have.
The i7 920 is the perfect replacement for my Q6600, most OC to ~4Ghz and nothing AMD has comes near that price/preformance.
If you were expecting Core i7 performance then I suggest you find better sources and stop listening to irrational fanboy posting. Even AMD's marketing has suggested parity at lower prices for the most part. They're certainly guilty of overstating it a bit much, but too hyped? Hardly.
I am not the one with my balls in a sling, whining...I'm just dissapointed in AMD for not delivering any competion.
What? They didn't set out with that philosophy. This chip was being tweaked from an existing architecture with reasonable goals in mind. These companies don't work on a processor with the competition solely in mind, they don't think as forum posters. The fact is the Phenom II is what it is. Take it or leave it. It is a chip that's priced on the low end of the quad core spectrum that is currently at parity with the competitions line up in the same price bracket. It has slight chipset and motherboard pricing advantages in one form factor. This is NOT a good situation for AMD, but it is BETTER than where they were before. Did you honestly expected AMD to cart out this chip going "Sorry guys, we're late, just at parity, and have no chance in the high end market"? No, you didn't (at least I hope). They produced the best processor they could at this point in time, they clearly don't have a new architecture to launch right now and they clearly don't have a $1,000 CPU either. This isn't about philosophy, it is about reality
Reality: They have about a six month gap to gain ground. They're going to gain extremely little. They're going to have nothing to go up against Core i7 right now or Core i5 when it launches. They're going to be in the same position Phenom I was. Nothing rosy about it. Just the facts.
Yup, like I said, to little, to late, to hyped...and quit whing about "~$1000"pats, since you obiviously don't understand what overclocking is all about.
The Phailure2 is only "good" if you have a compatiable AM2 motherboard.
New build:
Pure performance: Go i7, nothing touches it.
Price/performance: Go Core2Quad, same price as Phenom2, but way more performance if you know how to go beyond stock.