Panasonic not adopting Sony strategy
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jvd said:
I watched the true HDTV 720p movie trailers (T3, Matrix Reloaded, Charles Angel, etc, saved HDTV clips) on my PC and they definitely look gorgeous.
From my friends who gave me the HDTV trailers and have also watched the HD-DVD portion of T2 Extreme edition, it is better than watching the DVD but still not up there comparing to current HDTV.
T-2 uses windows media format.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2003-04-27-hddvd-side_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2003-04-27-hddvd-side_x.htm
jvd said:
True, but DVD players didn't have the same recording capibilities that VCRs does until recently, and that technology is still very expensive. When HDTV become the standard in 2006, dvd recorders will be outdated since it will not have enough storage for hdtv broadcasts. Blu-ray and it's competitors offer vhs like features from day 1 and it will last until HDTV is not the standard broadcast signal, which will probably be for a very long time. Right now I don't see a reason to buy a dvd-recorded to replace my VCR because it's expensive and just will not last long enough because of HDTV. If sony can drive the price of blu-ray down through the ps3, you will see blu-ray catch on very quickly in the american household.
Tsmit42 said:
lots of ifs there dude
when u would record from the tv to your vhs the quality would be lower than tv quality and much lower than if u bought the vhs tape of the same thing . If u recored to a dvd and the quality is less no one will complain since it will still be better than the vhs quality.
I really think sony could have another betamax on thier hands
For my pc i can buy a dvd recorder for under 200 now. The tv ones will keep dropping . The medium will drop. more and more people will have normal dvd players around the house and on thier computers. I just don't see it taking over . Its sorta like dvd music. I don't see that taking over cd music. The major thing is i can find a really good progressive scan dvd player for 50 bucks now. I dunno i just don't see blue ray as a big deal. There are other things in the ps3 that are much more important to its succes .
Right now with blue ray there are many ? marks . How big is the libray going to be. How expensive are the players. When are they coming out. Will the first ones have major problems. Besides sony are any other major electronic companys pushing it or are they just signed up to take advantage of it if sony pulls one out of thier hat. Are other movie companys behind it . Will they put out tons of moives for it at launch like they did for the dvds.
Look it went vhs-beta max . The beta max was better the vhs won though. Vhs vs laser disc. Vhs was so entrenched at that point laser disc was just a fad. Dvd comes along and finally starts to drive vhs out. Now dvd will have a huge libary of every movie made since was 98 and a bunch of classics vs a few dozen at launch of the blue ray.
Really the only way i can see blue ray gaining market share is if they advertise it as a dvd player and have it play all dvds with no problems . even then if the price is like a 150 bucks compared to 300 bucks i doubt they will sell well .
Time will tell.
Cyborg:
You might have already realised it, but someone already mentioned what I was getting at: DVD too isn't that old (it was 3 years old at the time PS2 launched). Quite francly, I don't see PS3 launching before 2006 (I think PSX is already indicating this), so blu-ray would be roughly the same age.
I agree however that the mainstream is unlikely to adapt that quick as they want something that will last them for quite some time. Well, in 2006, the DVD medium will already be 10 years old. Considering what Blu-Ray can do and its advantage (mainly as a recordable medium), I'd say it has at least a lot of potential of doing well if the price is right. If you had comprehended my point, instead of jumping to those "illogical conclusions" you might have noticed that I said Sony might market their next gen console different, which might actually give the new format a push in markets in which it did not sell well yet. Sure the demand is good if it's there, but even if it's not, what makes you think demand can not be created by distinct marketing through a console that people will buy regardless of the format it's using?
Heh, right back at you. I was actually agreeing with you, as you obviously failed to see.
You might have already realised it, but someone already mentioned what I was getting at: DVD too isn't that old (it was 3 years old at the time PS2 launched). Quite francly, I don't see PS3 launching before 2006 (I think PSX is already indicating this), so blu-ray would be roughly the same age.
I agree however that the mainstream is unlikely to adapt that quick as they want something that will last them for quite some time. Well, in 2006, the DVD medium will already be 10 years old. Considering what Blu-Ray can do and its advantage (mainly as a recordable medium), I'd say it has at least a lot of potential of doing well if the price is right. If you had comprehended my point, instead of jumping to those "illogical conclusions" you might have noticed that I said Sony might market their next gen console different, which might actually give the new format a push in markets in which it did not sell well yet. Sure the demand is good if it's there, but even if it's not, what makes you think demand can not be created by distinct marketing through a console that people will buy regardless of the format it's using?
Heh, right back at you. I was actually agreeing with you, as you obviously failed to see.
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HD-DVD on standard DVD? Certainly possible as T2 proves, but you need to use high compression for that (that's why they've use WMV) Blu Ray would allow for mucl less compressed movies in HD format, not to mention recording of such broadcast and actually *playing* HD movies without usage of PC.
jvd said:
I have a DVD +/-RW recorder on my PC, but as our previous discussion with PC Engine stated - I can't record Digital Video off my TV using it. Nor do I, or most people, want to hook my PC upto my TV and record that way. It's insane - if anything the DVD itself was this off stepping up from VHS in that it lacked the ability to record.
Again, I contest that if you market this [Blu-Ray] as a NG Digital Video recorder to replace your VHS, it'll be huge. It will coincide with the American 2007 deadline for HDTV and it gives people something they can't do now in the mainstream: Record.
Why you'd even propose that they'd market it as this pseudo-'DVD+ Player' just makes no sence to me. Perhaps thats how you want it to be viewed and how you envision it - but that doesn't mean you're correct. Forget the DVD paradigm - this is about HDTV recording in the broadband world.
PC-Engine said:Anybody ever think about future red laser DVD recorders having a builtin codec along the lines of WM9?????
HDTV 1080P recordings per $.50 disc on $100 recorders
You don't need no frickn blue laser.
It is good that you are satisfied with that claimed HDTV 1080p with WMV9.
That is a better format comparing to DVD, but still cannot touch quality mastered 1080i (those D-Theatre movies are shit when it comes to quality, don't use them as comparison), and stilly far from quality mastered 720p.
There is no free lunch when it comes to lossy compression, even though it may be better later on with a better codec, but WMV9 is not the only participant in the race.
I want my true HD-DVD with 20G or more per disc in whatever disc format available than the current WMV9.
jvd said:
Appearently you missed the part where I covered this. Who the hell (I'm talking about people with lives here) records Digital Cable or HDTV streams on their PC's DVD +/-RW burner?
How insane is this for the "guy on the street" you care so much about. What do you think is easier for him: to hook his one HDTV or Digital Cable line upto his PC (which is probobly in a completely different room) and then fuss with his PC and some 3rd party program to record onto DVD-RW's (which aren't capable of Real Time HD video recording) - or for this guy to drop $300 and have the functionality of a VCR in the livingroom (with a single "record button"), but recording HDTV streams?
The utter irrationality on this forum as of late just permeates and eats me up to no end.... it's like talking to the wall. No, better yet - it's like talking to a competing companies PR staff about your product.
PC-Engine said:Anybody ever think about future red laser DVD recorders having a builtin codec along the lines of WM9?????
HDTV 1080P recordings per $.50 disc on $100 recorders
You don't need no frickn blue laser.
I don't understand why people think DVD-9 using WM9 is an good option when it come to HD-DVD. Sure it can display nice quality pictures, but what about everything else. It's audio is weak compared to what a blu-ray type device can give you with the extra space to put quality audio on it. The recording ability is horrible, you can only record 4.5gb of data on it, just above 1 hour of hdtv, even with the nice compression. This thing will not make it in the living room of most american homes that uses a VCR. Another thing is it's use on a pc, which is nothing more than we have today. I also think that the 50gb also refers to data that you can use when backing up data from your pc, i might be wrong however.
However, WM9 on blu-ray devices is another story, but it has it cons also. One big reason I don't see WM9 on blu-ray for the HD-DVD standard is because I think it would be much easier to have one type of compression than two. Since tv broadcast streams in mpeg-2 I don't really see a reason to have hd-dvd to use any other compression scheme since you can get 3+ hours of hd-dvd on a blu-ray using mpeg-2.
