Nvidia to end shipments of chips to MS current quarter

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Nvidia ends shipments of chips for Xbox
By Chris Nuttall FT.com, 00:04 BST May 13, 2005

Nvidia, the graphics chipmaker, said on Thursday it was ending shipments of chips for Microsoft's Xbox game console in the current quarter as what was once one of its biggest customers moved on to its next-generation machine.

Microsoft is expected to release the Xbox 360 in November, featuring a graphics chip from rival ATI. Microsoft had informed Nvidia it would not take any more product after Nvidia's second quarter, ending August 1.

The news was a clear indication that Microsoft was cutting off production of the old Xbox and of the imminent release of its successor. In contrast, Sony is still selling its original PlayStation console several years after the launch of the PS2.

Nvidia's inclusion in the original Xbox, launched in 2001, had been a major boost for the Silicon Valley company, but other areas of its business have since grown and Microsoft is no longer one of its top-ten customers.

An Nvidia chip will feature in the PlayStation 3, expected next year, and the company said revenues from that would begin to flow in after the technology licensing started in the third quarter.

The graphics company reported record sales in its first quarter ending May 1 of $583.8m, up 24 per cent on a year earlier. Net profits were $64.4m or 36 cents per diluted share, compared to $21.3m or 12 cents a year earlier.

Analysts had expected sales of $579.7m and earnings of 28 cents, according to Reuters Estimates.

Nvidia said there had been 20 per cent growth in chip sales for high-end PCs and its next-generation GPU (graphics processing unit) was set to be unveiled at the E3 computer games trade show next week.

The company said it had been forced to write off handheld inventory after Motorola cut its orders for chips for 3G phones as demand failed to meet expectations.

Nvidia expected the handheld segment to return to growth in the second half. It was bullish on the current quarter, usually the seasonally slowest with sales down 5 to 10 per cent on the previous quarter. Instead, Nvidia forecast sales would be flat to slightly up.

Nvidia shares rose nearly 9 per cent in after-hours trading to $24.75 on the news.


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If I was an Xbox developer I would not be very happy. The holiday season is the biggest period, and with the Xbox 360 coming the Xbox is already taking a hit. Having no more units is bad because it takes away a low cost alternative. Looking at the titles since January:

Jade Empire
Forza
Conker
Half Life 2
Doom 3
Far Cry Instincts

Those are a lot of good games. These games should be pushing Xbox sales well into the year and even next year. Obviously the deal with nVidia must be pretty sour to end sales because this should be the best time when MS is really making profits. Makes you wonder if the Xbox 360 will be backwards compatible.
 
Damn!

Ok, what this means IMO.

Firstly, I feel vindicated that the recent shortage of XBox's in the channel is indeed due to a scale-back of production, as I always theorized, and not due to 'insane demand,' as Microsoft indicated.

Secondly, ok the obvious and basically stated above - XBox won't be with us too much longer.

Thirdly, unless Microsoft has managed to successfully emulate the XBox on the 360, or worked an IP licensing agreement with NVidia, I think this points to the oft suspected-but-never proven idea that B/C might be lacking altogether, regardless of console version.

Probably too early to conclude on the third pont, however.
 
xbdestroya said:
Thirdly, unless Microsoft has managed to successfully emulate the XBox on the 360, or worked an IP licensing agreement with NVidia, I think this points to the oft suspected-but-never proven idea that B/C might be lacking altogether, regardless of console version.

It could be proof of Backwards Compatibility also. If they Xbox 360 can play current games then who needs to sell the old units you are losing money on? Might as well only lose money on the new units that have a future anyhow.

Will be interesting to see if it does or doesn't!
 
Acert93 said:
It could be proof of Backwards Compatibility also. If they Xbox 360 can play current games then who needs to sell the old units you are losing money on? Might as well only lose money on the new units that have a future anyhow.

Will be interesting to see if it does or doesn't!

VERY interesting.

If it does indeed support backwards compatability, it's kind of an underhanded (though smart) way to force the consumer back into a higher price-point, regardless of their desired XBox system.

I find the omission, however, of any mention on NVidia's part of continued, or newly formed, IP licensing agreements with Microsoft during their earnings report to be slightly indicative of lack of IP rights - because that would normally be presented as a source of continuing revenue within the context of a production halt. Who knows, might be under confidentiality at this point. But... of all the things that Microsoft has let slip, why would they want to keep something like an IP agreement secret?

I have my doubts as to whether Microsoft could successfully emulate, so I'm extremely interested to see where this all ends up.

I'll tell you what though, if the 360 is NOT backwards compatible, there are going to be a lot of XBox fans feeling burned.
 
I'll tell you what though, if the 360 is NOT backwards compatible, there are going to be a lot of XBox fans feeling burned.

Not saying you're necesserily wrong, by why? Presumeably, as Xbox fans, they already have an Xbox. BC is nice in that you can get rid of a box from under your telly, but I don't see how not being able to do this would leave you feeling burned ...
 
function said:
Not saying you're necesserily wrong, by why? Presumeably, as Xbox fans, they already have an Xbox. BC is nice in that you can get rid of a box from under your telly, but I don't see how not being able to do this would leave you feeling burned ...

Then you haven't spent time in many XBox forums. ;)

All logic aside, I'm just telling you my observations. There's a lot of sentiment out there that their XBox's WILL eventually cease to function, and that if Microsoft does not offer B/C, then their entire libraries worth of games will have been 'wasted' money.

(and honestly, I can echo that sentiment - back in the day I remember looking in vain for a new Nintendo console...)
 
I told u guys they were gong to stop making xboxs this year . TOld you from like 4 months ago .

So in closeing .... I told you so
 
jvd said:
I told u guys they were gong to stop making xboxs this year . TOld you from like 4 months ago .

So in closeing .... I told you so

Hey you didn't tell me! :p

I thought that all along as well.
 
This is a clear sign that Xbox360 has backward compatiability. I don't think MS needs to pay nvidia for any IP. Doesn't anyone remember the SGI lawsuit against Nvidia and MS when the xbox came out? I own some SGI stock (long horrible story) but I rememeber in one of their quarterly reports they had a huge influx of cash from settling that suit with MS. Nvidia used tech in the xbox gpu that was actually owned by SGI. Now MS owns it.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/01/16/sgi_transfers_3d_graphics_patents/
 
I have my doubts as to MS's lack of need for IP. I would counter and say that this does *not* prove that 360 has backwards compatability, but whether or not their is proof probably isn't relevent, since we should know definitively in a couple of days anyway.
 
Yes i did , i posted on this site a few times and people told me I was crazy . Which is true , but i was right
 
you can also read up on X2 at IGN to learn that it is officially announced that MS will stop making games for Box at the end of 2006.

“We'll support Xbox 1 until end of year 2006, and there will be 85 Xbox games on the E3 show floor to prove it. But Microsoft's first-party teams will only be working on Xbox 360 games from here on out."
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/613/613257p1.html
 
In a recent interview Itagaki of Tecmo lamented for the early death of XBOX 1 and pledged to release 2 more games (Ninja Gaiden Black and DOA: Code Chronus) for XBOX 1.
 
I now understand why the guy from Tecmo kinda cried saying the death of the Xbox1. I would too if I had 1 or 2 more great games coming out when the Xbox will not be produced.
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jvd said:
Yes i did , i posted on this site a few times and people told me I was crazy . Which is true , but i was right

Well, that's not what I meant - when I said 'you didn't tell me' what I meant was, I was never one of those who disagreed. 8)
 
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