Nvidia GeForce RTX 50-series Blackwell reviews

[Albuquerque]

I don't think 1080p is dead or 8GB GPUs are dead or anything like that. There was a time when 4GB was the most common configuration on Steam. That doesn't mean it's okay to keep putting 4GB on GPUs indefinitely.

Think about it the other way 'round: game devs are still targeting 8GB VRAM because two thirds of the installed base has that much VRAM or less. Yes, at some point 8GB will be fully outmoded just like 4GB once was, that time is not now and it isn't in the near future.

Or let's try another method: name a game that doesn't run on 8GB of VRAM. I'm not asking about if you can make it unplayable, I mean show me a game that doesn't work at reasonable settings and at more than playable framerates on 8GB VRAM. I went back through the HUB review, along with Techspot and Jayz and GamersNexus and L3Techs -- every time they tested a game with "medium" settings at 1080P, the 8GB of VRAM wasn't a hinderence. Well, duh, look at how many gamers are running 1080P displays (around half) and how many are equipped with 8GB of VRAM (way more than half.)

The funny part to me is, all those tested games would've NEVER suggested ultra settings for an 8GB VRAM card. I wager at least a dollar plus a free cup of coffee every single game tested would've booted up on a 5060 8GB card and configured you for those same medium-ish settings.

 

[DegustatoR]

The whole discussion is stemming from a claim that "Nvidia is greedy" because they should take the financial hit or something on equipping every GPU they make with at least 12GBs of RAM (and then we proceed to beating the drum on how 12GBs aren't enough either I suppose) while still selling them on the same price as they do with 8GB models currently.

But this isn't how market or business function. It's just a completely ridiculous idea to even propose and it would only turn out to happen if taking a hit on margins would be a requirement for sales. Since there are other reasons to buy an 8GB Nvidia GPU it doesn't happen.

 

[Cappuccino]

So? Have you ever stopped to think that prebuilts aren't bought only for gaming? Or that people have their own ideas on how to use these after they've bought them?

These were gaming prebuilts. They were marketed for gaming.

8GB GPUs are not "junk", that's HUB talking out of your mouth.

You are so caught up in being a contrarian against HUB that you didn’t realize every other reviewer and outlet also thinks 8GB brand new GPUs are junk.

The discussion at the moment is pivoting around VRAM, and there's an undeniable supermajority of 8GB (and less) VRAM gaming equipment in the world being targetted by game developers.

For all this talk about how developers are ‘targeting’ 8GB, how is it that some games barely run on 8GB without going down to low textures?

Anyone trying to tell you 1080P is dead, or that 8GB of VRAM is dead, hasn't looked at the overwhelming majority of devices on this planet playing video games. 8GB is far from dead, just like 1080P; both will continue to live in their majority positions for years to come because 2nd place for both of those categories is so far away.

8GB GPUs making up a contingent of older stock doesn’t mean a new GPU coming out with 8GB isn’t trash. Even at 1080p it’s being stretched thin.

 

[Cappuccino]

The whole discussion is stemming from a claim that "Nvidia is greedy" because they should take the financial hit or something on equipping every GPU they make with at least 12GBs of RAM (and then we proceed to beating the drum on how 12GBs aren't enough either I suppose) while still selling them on the same price as they do with 8GB models currently.

Like I said before the ‘greed’ argument is nonsense. It doesn’t make the 5060ti 8GB a good product though. It’s still junk that I’d never recommend anyone buy.

 

[homerdog]

The whole discussion is stemming from a claim that "Nvidia is greedy" because they should take the financial hit or something on equipping every GPU they make with at least 12GBs of RAM (and then we proceed to beating the drum on how 12GBs aren't enough either I suppose) while still selling them on the same price as they do with 8GB models currently.

But this isn't how market or business function. It's just a completely ridiculous idea to even propose and it would only turn out to happen if taking a hit on margins would be a requirement for sales. Since there are other reasons to buy an 8GB Nvidia GPU it doesn't happen.

I've never made claims about NVIDIA being greedy. I simply think 8GB is not enough for a $400 GPU and I wouldn't buy and generally wouldn't recommend a GPU like that. That opinion is shared by most reviewers, but not by the general public as evidenced by the current stock level of these cards (zero).

 

[Nappe1]

It seems that 5060 non-ti will release in may 19th and even though it was stated embargo lifted with 16 Ti, now it seems to have embargo until May 19th...

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-to-launch-299-geforce-rtx-5060-on-may-19

This model is first in 50 series which has competition out already. And competition has 4 GB more vram. Nvidia with it's superior technology, innovation and marketing power should be able to squat B580 like elephants do ants.

This should be interesting to see what kind of lead they are able to pull off.

 

[trinibwoy]

Is B580 technically on the market? It’s been MIA since launch.

 

[Nappe1]

Is B580 technically on the market? It’s been MIA since launch.

In finland every remarkable store has aib cards in stock. And they are cheaper than in launch. Avg price is around 340 euros (Includes 25.5% vat).

As comparison. 4060 (if you can find one in stock) costs around 350 euros.

The Intel's own LE was never sold in finland and even rest of the europe got them in very very limited amount. Not sure if they are discontinued already.

Unfortunately my on going kitchen renovation costs about 1.25 times aib 5090 (or around 4000 euros), so that's the reason why I have not yet bought B580. Maybe in late June.

 

[homerdog]

Is B580 technically on the market? It’s been MIA since launch.

For US, there are 2 models in stock on Newegg right now, a fair bit over MSRP ($310+).

https://www.newegg.com/onix-odyssey-8346-00178-intel-arc-b580-12gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814987002?Item=N82E16814987002&SoldByNewegg=1

https://www.newegg.com/odyssey-arc-b580-12gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814987001?Item=N82E16814987001&SoldByNewegg=1

Never heard of ONIX.

There is also a B570 that seems to be available from Asrock.

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-challenger-b570-cl-12go-intel-arc-b570-10gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814930134?Item=N82E16814930134&SoldByNewegg=1

Edit: Something is wrong with the search on Newegg. These cards only show up if you select "Intel". The "Arc B-Series" box doesn't include them.

 

[Potato Head]

This isn’t an opinion, this is a fact. See: the entire prebuilt market.

IIRC one of the most popular prebuilts on Amazon was running some sort of relabeled Fermi card. In like 2023.

Ummm… My prebuilt is a 13900K, 64GB DDR5, 2x WD Black 850 4TB, RTX 4090.

So no, not the entire prebuilt market.

 

[Cappuccino]

Ummm… My prebuilt is a 13900K, 64GB DDR5, 2x WD Black 850 4TB, RTX 4090.

I think you may have misinterpreted my post if you thought I said every prebuilt was low end.

Low end prebuilts are loaded with overpriced junk. High end prebuilts are just regular overpriced and usually have weird component choices.

Unfortunately my on going kitchen renovation costs about 1.25 times aib 5090 (or around 4000 euros), so that's the reason why I have not yet bought B580. Maybe in late June.

That seems like a very competitively priced kitchen remodel! Is this contracted out or are you DIYing it?

 

[raytracingfan]

The rub to me is that the 5060Ti is way beyond a min spec GPU, but it has min spec VRAM.

This is ultimately the root issue. If someone is fine playing 1080P low or sticking with low-spec e-sports titles they might as well save money by getting an older card or waiting for the RTX 5060. If they actually want to be able to play new games at 1080P 60FPS on the medium preset as you used to be able to do with new midrange cards, then they should get the 5060 Ti 16GB. I can't think of a single consumer for whom the 5060 Ti 8GB would be a better choice than the 5060 or 5060 Ti 16GB.

 

[homerdog]

This is ultimately the root issue. If someone is fine playing 1080P low or sticking with low-spec e-sports titles they might as well save money by getting an older card or waiting for the RTX 5060. If they actually want to be able to play new games at 1080P 60FPS on the medium preset as you used to be able to do with new midrange cards, then they should get the 5060 Ti 16GB. I can't think of a single consumer for whom the 5060 Ti 8GB would be a better choice than the 5060 or 5060 Ti 16GB.

Pretty much. If you don't really care just get a 5060. If you do care then splurge for a 16GB version or a 5070.

 

[Potato Head]

I think you may have misinterpreted my post if you thought I said every prebuilt was low end.

You wrote an absolute. No interpretation was called for nor given:

See: the entire prebuilt market.

 

[Sega_Model_4]

Keeping the profit margin high, while making the product worse, segmenting it to create FOMO in people and charging the same price or more, doesn't that seem like a greedy method?

 

[Potato Head]

Keeping the profit margin high

Profit isn’t a four letter word like so many seem to think it is.

while making the product worse

In what way is it worse than what came before?

segmenting it to create FOMO

I have no idea how you think product segmentation causes FOMO.

doesn't that seem like a greedy method?

Outside of the false statements above, it sounds like how you stay in business and pay your employees and owners.

 

[Cappuccino]

You wrote an absolute. No interpretation was called for nor given:

I said the entire prebuilt market is a borderline scam, not that it’s all low end PCs.

 

[Nappe1]

That seems like a very competitively priced kitchen remodel! Is this contracted out or are you DIYing it?

Plumbing and Electrics is done by authorized contractors but other than that it's diy Job. We were able to find and buy very cost efective second hand closet set which fits in place of old ones with in 16 cm of difference.

The old closets were 50 years old, so while the second hand ones are 10 years old, it still makes quite difference.