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PCIE x8 same as on 4060Ti but this time 5.0
Interesting thing here what I am watching is the 5060 and it's pricing.
- If it is around 10-15% faster than 4060, it's just about as fast as the B580.
- In here Finland B580 costs 340 to 370 euros
- 4060 8GB version costs around 330 to 350 euros.
(both prices 25.5% vat included.)
...So, if the performance gain is moderate, they need to price 8GB model extremely cheap to make it viable option. 16GB version should not cost no more than 400 Euros.
or they can just trust that most people goes like "It's RTX Baby!" and buy it anyways no matter what competition does in market.
EDIT: As a note, 5070 costs here 660 - 810 euros. 25.5% vat included, so if Nvidia looks only it's own prices, there's plenty of available price points below 5070. heck, we could see even 5050 desktop card with sluggish performance in any resolution with or without any RT. Just 400 euros for real nVidia fans(tm.)
All prices are retail prices of available cards (ready to shipped straight away as ordered.)
- If it is around 10-15% faster than 4060, it's just about as fast as the B580.
- In here Finland B580 costs 340 to 370 euros
- 4060 8GB version costs around 330 to 350 euros.
(both prices 25.5% vat included.)
...So, if the performance gain is moderate, they need to price 8GB model extremely cheap to make it viable option. 16GB version should not cost no more than 400 Euros.
or they can just trust that most people goes like "It's RTX Baby!" and buy it anyways no matter what competition does in market.
EDIT: As a note, 5070 costs here 660 - 810 euros. 25.5% vat included, so if Nvidia looks only it's own prices, there's plenty of available price points below 5070. heck, we could see even 5050 desktop card with sluggish performance in any resolution with or without any RT. Just 400 euros for real nVidia fans(tm.)
All prices are retail prices of available cards (ready to shipped straight away as ordered.)
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I don't think that there will be a 16GB 5060.
A 12GB could be in the cards (sorry not sorry).
As for the pricing considering that 5060 Ti 8GB is rumored to be $380 MSRP 5060 will probably retain its $300 position - but it remains to be seen if that's for the 8GB model or for the 12GB one.
8 GB / 128bit has been confirmed in prebuilt PCs already
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Where did I say that there won't be an 8GB version?
Well yes, theoretically they could use 3 GB modules, but it's doubtful.
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Why is it "doubtful" if they are already using them in laptops? And there was a precedent of a 12GB card from Nvidia in this market segment? And they understand that their own push for more RT and (M)FG requires more VRAM across the lineup? And there are competition with more VRAM in the segment?
To my understanding their supply is limited compared to 2GB modules and with laptops already using them, they might not have the supply to put them into probably one of the best selling RTX 50 desktop models
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Supply isn't a constant number, and the fact that the launch was postponed a bit could change that number significantly.
Also there are more than one reason to launch both 8 and 12GB models. Lower supply of 3GB G7 chips can be among them.
We'll see what they'll decide.
It’s still unclear to me how much it matters for $300 graphics cards to have more than 8GB of vram. Most of the griping on forums and YouTube is from people who don’t actually use that class of card and 8GB cards seem to sell well enough despite the noise. What’s the business case for a 12GB 5060 in absence of 12GB competition?
I assume the vast majority of people buying those cards aren’t hitting vram limits and therefore don’t know what they’re missing.
I assume the vast majority of people buying those cards aren’t hitting vram limits and therefore don’t know what they’re missing.
Based on my experience with a 4070 I can't imagine it's hard to exceed 8GB, even at 1080 or 1440p. Especially when using framegen and RT.
If all you're playing is stuff like COD and Fortnite then yea it probably doesn't matter.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. Most people probably aren’t playing benchmark games. They’re just playing games. So Nvidia’s going to sell 8GB cards until they’re forced to change due to competition or games actually demanding more vram which would lead to poor sales.
Of the top 20 games on Steam, only Monster Hunter Wilds might benefit from >8GB at normal (<4K) resolutions. And I'm not even sure if that game uses a lot of VRAM, but it is a dog on performance. I also don't have a good take on the performance profile of Bongo Cat (#11 on Steam). Maybe it needs lots of VRAM.
It's funny the disconnect between games we use to test GPU performance and games people actually play. Also funny that the only game in the top 20 I have any interest is Monster Hunter, which I won't be playing until they fix the performance issues
Jay’s video on the topic kinda sums it up for me. He uses STALKER 2 @ 4K to illustrate performance cliffs on a 3070 Ti when you run out of vram. Then acknowledges that running 4K on that class of card makes no sense which kinda makes the whole video pointless.
These influencers really need to take a more nuanced stance on this stuff. Saying “nobody should buy an 8GB 5060 Ti” is stupid when there are tons of games those people play that run just fine with 8GB. His other argument is that Nvidia is making so much money they shouldn’t be penny pinching on vram. That’s just asking for charity. Of course everyone wants more stuff for less money.
What they should do instead is show real world scenarios where vram really is an issue. A more compelling forward looking argument is that making 12/16GB the new baseline will give developers more room to create better games when they don’t have to worry about cards with 8GB memory pools. The edge case sensationalist click bait nonsense they’re doing now isn’t convincing at all.
These influencers really need to take a more nuanced stance on this stuff. Saying “nobody should buy an 8GB 5060 Ti” is stupid when there are tons of games those people play that run just fine with 8GB. His other argument is that Nvidia is making so much money they shouldn’t be penny pinching on vram. That’s just asking for charity. Of course everyone wants more stuff for less money.
What they should do instead is show real world scenarios where vram really is an issue. A more compelling forward looking argument is that making 12/16GB the new baseline will give developers more room to create better games when they don’t have to worry about cards with 8GB memory pools. The edge case sensationalist click bait nonsense they’re doing now isn’t convincing at all.
I wonder how much the influencer takes matter. They mostly say the 4060/4060Ti is crap and they're the most popular cards. They weren't very enthused with the 5000 series so far and it certainly hasn't dampened demand. The message I get is: IHVs can make whatever they want, price it wherever they want and it'll sell out immediately. Intel and AMD are also sold out everywhere or marked up over MSRP. There is zero pressure to give buyers anything more for their money.
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This isn't true though, over the last several generations there were a multitude of launches which didn't sell out and were in fact sitting on shelves until a solid price drop happened (below the stated MSRP usually).
What it does show though is that the whole VRAM angle isn't the one which sells GPUs. The only way it would matter is if you have two options at the same price with different VRAM sizes totally equal in every aspect otherwise. Which is a purely theoretical scenario which can't happen because more VRAM costs more money. And when the market is presented with a choice the 8GB cheaper card wins cause it's cheaper while still being very adequate for the vast majority of popular modern games - and for those who know how to use the texture quality sliders.
Yeah maybe they don’t matter at all especially at that price level. I’m guessing lots of 5060s will ship in pre-builts. If OEMs were complaining that they can’t move product because customers were demanding more than 8GB VRAM then there would be no 8GB 5060. Clearly that’s not happening.
There's plenty of examples of GPUs not selling well, but so far this round everything from everybody is supply limited. I guess there's just not enough graphics cards to go around, for whatever reason. Unlike the cryptobooms, I don't know why the GPU market is so fucked right now. It was fucked for at least a couple months before the new cards even launched.
If that was true we wouldn't have cards already selling under MSRP.
RTX 50 series GPUs selling below market price at Walmart returns aisle, multiple customers score great deals
Someone else's buyer's remorse can save you hundreds.
RTX 5070 drops below MSRP in UK, Custom RTX 5080 drops to under £1000 - KitGuru
When the RTX 5070 first launched in the UK, it held a £539 MSRP. Now, we are starting to see RTX 507
www.kitguru.net
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The first link is 2nd hand sales on cards which were used and returned to the store.If that was true we wouldn't have cards already selling under MSRP.
RTX 50 series GPUs selling below market price at Walmart returns aisle, multiple customers score great deals
Someone else's buyer's remorse can save you hundreds.www.tomshardware.com
RTX 5070 drops below MSRP in UK, Custom RTX 5080 drops to under £1000 - KitGuru
When the RTX 5070 first launched in the UK, it held a £539 MSRP. Now, we are starting to see RTX 507www.kitguru.net
And the second one is for UK where 5070's MSRP is £539 which is roughly $700 in USD which is +$150 to the US MSRP.
I've been saying for some time that it's the USA market in particular which is thoroughly fucked for some reason when it comes to GPU availability, and the fact that US has generally lowest prices on them could actually be one reason for that. Outside of US cards are much easier to find - but they do tend to cost upwards to 2X of USA MSRPs which could explain exactly why they are easier to find.