NV31 in a laptop?

[RussSchultz]

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTA0Njc3NDY4N1R3c3BYWUJidDNfMV8xX2wuZ2lm

Notice the L5G model (top middle).

Also notice that the M9 shows up in two smaller models, introduced as late as July. Where's the M10?

It is a bit confusing as it mentions DTP (and HardOCP says "desk top platform"), but this is clearly all laptops.

 

[Psikotiko]

interesting...
Just a question, what happened to the 4200ti mobile?

 

[tamattack]

interesting...
Just a question, what happened to the 4200ti mobile?

Nobody uses it yet.

 

[MrB]

the mobile market will be amazing this year...!! cough that's about all I can say.

 

[MrBond]

I'm waiting for M10 (mobility radeon 9600?) to show up in dells, compaqs, and alienwares (plus associated whitebox versions) myself

 

[Arun]

And what's surprising in that?
Let's suppose that while the "normal" NV31 is at 350Mhz, the "mobile" NV31 is at 300Mhz.
Copper & 0.13 make for a total heat reduction of 53%

So...
85*300*0.47


-> 11730

How fast would a RV250 ( 40M Transistors ) have to be in order to make that much heat?
It would have to be clocked at 293Mhz.

So, as you see, it ain't that much heat, really!


Uttar

 

[mczak]

interesting...
Just a question, what happened to the 4200ti mobile?

Nobody uses it yet.

Since the NV31/NV34 are around the corner, it's probably a safe bet to say that the 4200ti mobile will never, ever appear in any product. (The only surprising thing is IMHO it didn't even ship for at least one desknote type system, so nvidia could claim they had the fastest mobile 3d chip in 2002.)

btw what happened to the overclocked GF4MX GO 460? I'd guess this chip also will never appear in any shipping product?

 

[Lordberek]

Alot of the Nvidia mobile stuff will probably never see the light of day, due to ATIs increased pressure on the market

I am eagerly awaiting the M10 for my first notebook purchase. I was going to go with the Radeon 9000, but from what I have heard the M10 will be a Dx9 part, and should be out soon! But how soon? I next week ATI is going to reveal their new product lineup... is that when the M10 will see the light of day?

Unless the M10 has a battery life of 30 minutes, or has other major issues, I'm going to get it as soon as a notebook comes out with it. Anyone else hear anything?

 

[tamattack]

The only surprising thing is IMHO it didn't even ship for at least one desknote type system, so nvidia could claim they had the fastest mobile 3d chip in 2002.)

Yes, that is surprising. Regardless, I'll bet that NV did everything they possibly could to try to get a major oem to at least announce a product...

btw what happened to the overclocked GF4MX GO 460? I'd guess this chip also will never appear in any shipping product?

Doubtful. IMO, it was just a one-off special review sample to try to derail the M9 launch.

 

[tamattack]

Back on topic. How do people expect NV34 mobile performance to shape up vis-a-vis M10?

Historically, NV's mobile chips (compared to ATI's) have offered slightly better framerates at the expense of features, power consumption and heat dissipation.

Thoughts?

 

[Arun]

Back on topic. How do people expect NV34 mobile performance to shape up vis-a-vis M10?

I sure hope you meant to say NV31...
Because the M10 is going to CRUSH the NV34.
The NV34 is the competitor to the RV280, *not* the RV350 ( M10 is based on the RV350 )

Historically, NV's mobile chips (compared to ATI's) have offered slightly better framerates at the expense of features, power consumption and heat dissipation.

Thoughts?

I really think nVidia focused more on power-saving features this time. But they might still not be onpar with ATI...
As for performance, well, I'd guess the RV350 is going to beat the NV31. And it'll probably be the same scenario in the mobile arena.


Uttar

 

[Dio]

Historically, NV's mobile chips (compared to ATI's) have offered slightly better framerates at the expense of features, power consumption and heat dissipation.

This performance aspect is certainly not reflected in the current rounds of laptop reviews in UK magazines (as far as I can see, at least). All the top-performing 3D solutions seem to be Radeon 9000.

 

[mboeller]

never say never :

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/products/model_inspn_1_inspn_8500.htm


graphics :

Video Graphics: Leading edge video graphics featured in
the 32MB ATI MOBILITYTM RADEONTM 9000, and
NVIDIA® GeForce4 4200 GoTM for crisp imaging and
improved streaming video.

found @ slashdot.org

 

[tamattack]

I sure hope you meant to say NV31...

Yes, I meant NV31. Thx for correcting me. 8)

 

[mczak]

never say never :
http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/products/model_inspn_1_inspn_8500.htm

I lost my bet ;-)
Seriously though, I really think this is strange at this point in time. Does that mean no NV34M in the near future?

 

[antlers]

If the NV31 still requires a power connector in a desktop, how are they going to make it a viable chip for a laptop? 50 watts is not a good power dissipation for a laptop.

 

[Lordberek]

My chief concern is how fast it will be. I have a slightly unique situation regarding the want for a laptop... I want it for work AT work. I wont be using it on the road, in other words, I will probably almost always keep it plugged in. Thus battery life wont really be an issue for me.

What I am also concerned about is heat dissipation. If I run this baby at least say 8 hours a day, a good amount of that watching divx movies and games and what not, how long do I expect it to last and what can I do to increase it's lifetime by cooling it down somehow? Or should I not worry, I am definately getting a 4 year warranty right away.