Next Gen Panel Discussion

This sounds very interesting. Downloading now. I heard about the Nintendo thing...a tramendous kick in the balls :LOL:
 
pc999 said:
Or at least can someone say what they say about Nintendo and the future of games, please?
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I heard through second hand (in GAF) but Rein basically mowed down the Revolution controller. I'm going to listen to it myself and i'll relay exactly what he says. Unless someone posts it before I do.
 
BlueTsunami said:
I heard through second hand (in GAF) but Rein basically mowed down the Revolution controller. I'm going to listen to it myself and i'll relay exactly what he says. Unless someone posts it before I do.
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Thanks:D .
 
Mark Rein is sort of a pompous ass...he started off by saying that graphics trumps anything basically. That people are trying to find other aspects to throw but all in all, the visuals is where it ends up. Essentially its true, his way of saying it makes him come off kind of...yeah.

I'll update the more I hear. Its interesint to hear what these devs say (or figureheads) but you can see why they don't make alot of public statements :LOL:

Mark Rein said:
I've hear EA and Activision about (In a snide goofy voice) Oh its going to take $30 Million dollars to make a game and we'll need 300 people, thats just a bunch of bullshit. There just covering up for their mangement and incompitence...or mismanagment I should say. And the thing is that, our team sizes are only 50% percent higher than it was last generation and we're making fantastic games. Gears of War right now is only 25 people, I mean, thats smaller than most current generation game teams.
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I kinda like him.
 
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Alstrong said:
What is the context for calling EA and Activision incompetent?
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They sort of cut to him saying that, theres no real context (anything that leads into why he said that). That sucks, whoever edited this should have shown why he said it.

BHAHAHAHAHHA Mark Rein had snide smirk on his face when the Obsidian guy started talking about Nintendo.

Mark Rein on the Revolution and its controller said:
Don't kid yourself, your going to see more gimick cheep I wish I haden't bough it gimmick games based around the controller than your ever going to possibly imagine. I gurantee you theres going to be alot of people who say the whole reason for this game is for this controller, we made the perfect game for the controller. And all it will be is about the controller, but not necisarilly a great game.
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He then tries to prove a point that small percentage of people own JUST a gamecube by having the audience raise their hands. Hes basically saying that developers wouldn't make games for a system that has a small userbase.
 
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I wish they'd shown more of what people had to say than Mark Rein, or he hogged the whole thing. Honestly, he said everything comes down to visuals in the end, and he's wrong. Everyone I know that plays game thinks that's wrong. Everyone on this forum has probably played a game at some point that blew them away for the first few hours because of spectacular graphics. But once they got past the tech demo aspect of the game they said, "This game f%$&*(# sucks." It's all about gameplay. You can make the prettiest game in the world, but if it plays worse then your old games, you're not going to like it. He slams the Nintendo controller because it won't necessarily lead to great games, and he's right, but he fails to realize that you can't just make pretty games and expect them to be better. Why are NES and SNES emulators so popular? Because those games were fun. People still love to play them. People can look past the graphics when a game is good.
 
BlueTsunami said:
They sort of cut to him saying that, theres no real context (anything that leads into why he said that). That sucks, whoever edited this should have shown why he said it.

BHAHAHAHAHHA Mark Rein had snide smirk on his face when the Obsidian guy started talking about Nintendo.
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I'm not really sure what the point of that panel was. There were little tidbits of good information, like when Mark Rein said Gears of War was made by a small team and small teams could still compete. But, really, the whole argument about which console is better is pretty pointless. It all comes down to which titles are the best, and we won't know until the machines are out. And the best console at launch will not necessarily stay the best console in the long run. All it takes is a few key titles to get everyone jumping ship to another machine.
 
Wow...he just blasted the PC market. I'm getting tired of trying to phrase him..but the jist of what he said is that the Xbox360 controller is just fine for playing games AND FPS's. He states that FPS's on the console have sold more on the console market than the PC Market.
 
Scott_Arm said:
Everyone on this forum has probably played a game at some point that blew them away for the first few hours because of spectacular graphics. But once they got past the tech demo aspect of the game they said, "This game f%$&*(# sucks." It's all about gameplay.
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That's how I felt when I played Doom 3.

Half-Life 2 and FEAR were an experience though. :)
 
Rur0ni said:
That's how I felt when I played Doom 3.

Half-Life 2 and FEAR were an experience though. :)
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Don't get my wrong, graphics can add to a game. Half Life 2 was definitely helped by the graphics, but they're not the best I've ever seen and they could have been worse and I still would have had fun playing it. What made the game fun was the interactivity of the game. You could interact with the environment in a way that made the gameplay feel unique. I loved picking up barrels and using them as shields to charge snipers or machine guns. The first game won us over with storytelling and AI, not graphics.
 
Mark Rein calmed down near the latter part of the panel video. He does make some good points about Blu-Ray and HDMI but...in all honesty...what he knows about those things can be likened to someone who posts on a message board :LOL: . He basically doesn't seem knowledgable on those fronts *shrugs*
 
BlueTsunami said:
Mark Rein is sort of a pompous ass...he started off by saying that graphics trumps anything basically. That people are trying to find other aspects to throw but all in all, the visuals is where it ends up. Essentially its true, his way of saying it makes him come off kind of...yeah.
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That must by why Xbox dominated the console market this generation, N64 pwn3d last generation, and why PC gaming continues to be orders of magnitude more popular than either.
 
BlueTsunami said:
He then tries to prove a point that small percentage of people own JUST a gamecube by having the audience raise their hands. Hes basically saying that developers wouldn't make games for a system that has a small userbase.
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No that's not the point. His point was that even though Nintendo makes great games, and that's a given, their games alone are not enough to sell the console to the majority of people.

They were discussing whether the Revolution would have enough really "good" games for the controller, that weren't gimmicky. The point was raised that Nintendo will make some good games for sure, he was simply trying to show that Nintendo's games alone didn't carry the Gamecube very far.
 
Alstrong said:
What is the context for calling EA and Activision incompetent?
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He was basically saying all the people claiming that they need 40million dollars to actually MAKE the game, and 300 people teams are full of crap. His own team for GOW is only 25 people, and if EA or Activision claim they need these massive teams for every game, it's simply due to their own mismanagement and "incompetence"
 
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