News & Rumours: Playstation 4/ Orbis *spin*

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Arwin said:
Sony has stated many times now that publishers can set their own prices (and the consumer must decide whether the price is worth it).
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I believe the way prices are set has changed, it used to be the case that the publisher set the wholesale price and the store determined the actual retail price. Though in principle it was a simple conversion.

I know the intent was to move to an apple like model, where the publisher sets the retail price and Sony takes a percentage, but I don't know if the legal issues were cleared.

The odd pricing could just be some confusion.
 
The queue for the London launch event started at 4pm on Monday. With the launch not till Friday they're in for a long, cold wait.
 
Maybe they're hoping for a free TV? :D (I thought about taking a train to London for the midnight ps3 launch, talk about regret the next morning! lol)
 
patsu said:
Huh ? So soon ? Should have pre-ordered early.

Even Apple seems to be moving away from the launch queueing model.
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Several of my friends just realized that the ps4 is around the corner, now they are scrambling to find one on launch day.

I told them about the price hike on games and the limited launch games, they settled for waiting and just ordered them from an online retailer
 
patsu said:
May be draconian DRM, closed platform, download size, and cost ?
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I am almost 99% digital on the ps3 as of now. Getting discs of only games that aren't available on the PSN. But I will have to go back to physical media again for the PS4 as the game-sizes are quadrupling on it ! I can't download 40-50gbs for each game at all, even if it is cheaper.
 
I will never understand why are digital prices same as retail ones. Who is getting retailer cut in that case, console holder? Also, EU prices need to be more in line with US prices [sub 60€]

Lame.
 
@DieH@rd.

Well for one if Sony, MS, EA, Ubi, Acti and the others decide to lower the DD prices retailers/e-retailers can decide to stop selling their games.
This is not a desirable situation, not when discs are the primary distribution system.
 
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Cjail said:
@DieH@rd.

Well for one if Sony, MS, EA, Ubi, Acti and the others decide to lower the DD prices retailers/e-retailers can decide to stop selling their games.
This is not a desirable situation, not when discs are the primary distribution system.
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Really? If I was a retailer I would hope the others would drop support, since discs are the primary distribution system, as you say. Because you will not see ALL of them drop support.

As the publisher I would look at how do I get to have most profit (all these companies are public, you can not avoid that) and structure it that way. Begin scared of brick n mortar dropping my product would be not high on my list. Then I'd put it into gas stations, grocery stores and what not. No need for specialised game stores unless you want to have something unique ala 1985 Greenberet for C64 etc. The specialised stores live of used games anyway, so would have no problem tightening the screws on them a little.
 
JPT said:
Really? If I was a retailer I would hope the others would drop support, since discs are the primary distribution system, as you say. Because you will not see ALL of them drop support.
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Not all of retailers would stop selling games but if GameStop or Amazon decide not to sell games anymore the the damage for ANY publisher will be enormous.
Those companies alone can keep publishers at leash and drive the prices up online.
Of course Amazon and GameStop are also moving towards DD so that they wont'be disadvantaged anymore when DD becomes the main distributions system.


As the publisher I would look at how do I get to have most profit (all these companies are public, you can not avoid that) and structure it that way. Begin scared of brick n mortar dropping my product would be not high on my list. Then I'd put it into gas stations, grocery stores and what not. No need for specialised game stores unless you want to have something unique ala 1985 Greenberet for C64 etc. The specialised stores live of used games anyway, so would have no problem tightening the screws on them a little.
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Consoles are mass market products, they need mass distribution to be successful.
MS and Sony needs giants like Amazon, GameStop to satisfy the enormous demand for games and to reach enough customers on the territory.

Now the only true way to be independent, to be "blackmail proof" so to speak, is to have you own stores, to be you yourself the intermediary but MS and Sony are not in this position.

BTW now EA, Ubisoft PS4 games now cost the same as on Xbox One.
 
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I do not agree with you on this :)

Cjail said:
Not all of retailers would stop selling games but if GameStop or Amazon decide not to sell games anymore the the damage for ANY publisher will be enormous.
Those companies alone can keep publishers at leash and drive the prices up online.
Of course Amazon and GameStop are moving towards DD so that they wont'be disadvantaged anymore when DD become the main distributions system.
For now though they are in control.

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And other chains would not pickup the slack? Best Buy, Target, Wallmart and all of those (not american so not fluent in retail chains)

Amazon is a glorified logistics operation even with their own Playstation store now, to them its just cents on the dollar in regards to their logistics operation. If they drop consoles+games, it does not really matter. I am quite confident there are other smaller players that would pickup the slack again.


Cjail said:
Consoles are mass market products, they need mass distribution to be successful.
MS and Sony needs giants like Amazon, GameStop to satisfy the enormous demand for games and to reach enough customers on the territory.
Now the only true way to be independent to be "blackmail proof" is to have you own stores, to be you yourself the intermediary but MS and Sony are not in this position.
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Mass market means be available where the customer is, not have your own chains. Put into grocery stores and kiosks and gas stations and toy stores etc etc. As I said before no need for speciality stores, just make it available where ever the customers go.

Heck, in my lifetime I must have bought about 5-6 PS2 in gas stations with buzz/singstar heading out to vorspiel/nachspiel (pre/after party), those are great fun games when your a bit tipsy :D
 
Cjail said:
BTW now EA, Ubisoft PS4 games now cost the same as on Xbox One.
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More people power. This is why open discussion and complaint is good, instead of just 'vote with your dollars'. We have a fair equality across platforms where the inequality should never have existed, and it didn't need anyone to unfairly lose access to the games they want to play as they protest against pricing but not buying.

(T'would be funny if no-one bought them though because they'll still overpriced :p)
 
JPT said:
And other chains would not pickup the slack? Best Buy, Target, Wallmart and all of those (not american so not fluent in retail chains)

Amazon is a glorified logistics operation even with their own Playstation store now, to them its just cents on the dollar in regards to their logistics operation. If they drop consoles+games, it does not really matter. I am quite confident there are other smaller players that would pickup the slack again.
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This actually happened in the UK.
GAME had problems, dropped the EA games for some weeks and other stores took their supply.
That was possible though because in UK there are other chains that could pick GAME orders so I am not sure it can happen everywhere.

Mass market means be available where the customer is, not have your own chains. Put into grocery stores and kiosks and gas stations and toy stores etc etc. As I said before no need for speciality stores, just make it available where ever the customers go.
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No I juts meant that if you have you own chain of stores you are in control.
 
List of day one PS4 titles and their price in EUK.

Shifty Geezer said:
More people power. This is why open discussion and complaint is good, instead of just 'vote with your dollars'. We have a fair equality across platforms where the inequality should never have existed, and it didn't need anyone to unfairly lose access to the games they want to play as they protest against pricing but not buying.

(T'would be funny if no-one bought them though because they'll still overpriced :p)
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Frankly for this entire generation people have discussed about the prices of the PS Store and nothing changed.
Speaking of inequality in EU games have been at €69,99 (£59) form stores and even e-retailers this entire gen and nobody wrote a single line on Eurogamer, IGN nor nothing changed.
An entire generation has passed while media turned a blind eye and no discussion ever amounted to something concrete.
 
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