New Steam survey results
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The thing is you can't really compare the "4800" series with the GT2xx series in Steam since they don't directly compete with each other.
The 4800 series should really be compared to the GT2xx + GTX9800/+
Since the 4850 competes directly with the 9800+ (i.e. its going after the same market). Its not going after the GT2xx market at all. Thats the 4870 and 4870X2's job which would already be included under "4800" series.
The 4800 series should really be compared to the GT2xx + GTX9800/+
Since the 4850 competes directly with the 9800+ (i.e. its going after the same market). Its not going after the GT2xx market at all. Thats the 4870 and 4870X2's job which would already be included under "4800" series.
Silent_Buddha
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The only thing with that is, if you go to other e-tailers, they'll show the exact opposite. Just depends which e-tailer you go to.
I still find it odd that GTX 260 didn't even show up on the Steam survey until 2-3 months AFTER the 4800 series even though it launched first.
Regards,
SB
Jawed
Legend
I don't find that too hard to believe. The GTX200 cards were a rather poor value proposition before the RV770 smackdown. I know I never would've bought this GTX260 if not for the 4870.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
True on that. But it didn't take them 3 months to adjust pricing on the GTX 260 did it? My memory is kinda hazy on the time frame of price adjustments.
Jawed, I could have sworn they both launched at the same time? Did it just take longer for GTX 260 to hit the channel? I remember not even bothering to look at online prices and availabililty of cards until the 4870 was launched to make sure I could see how all the cards from both companies stacked up to each other.
Regards,
SB
Jawed, I could have sworn they both launched at the same time? Did it just take longer for GTX 260 to hit the channel? I remember not even bothering to look at online prices and availabililty of cards until the 4870 was launched to make sure I could see how all the cards from both companies stacked up to each other.
Regards,
SB
Jawed
Legend
Technically GTX260 launched alongside GTX280. I didn't keep tabs on the eventual release date for GTX260, but bear in mind that at the time HD4870 left NDA GTX260 was still priced at $399 versus HD4870's $299.
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15004
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15050
Looking at Aug-Dec D3D10 cards, in Aug GTX260 has less share than GTX280 (0.45% v 0.64%). That looks like the effect of delayed availability + over-pricing. HD4870 was 3.45% at that time.
NVidia suffered a massive inverse-halo effect over the summer due to their avaricious pricing. At the end of summer there were vague reports on the OcUK forum from staff at the store that sales were 5:1 in favour of HD48xx versus GTX2xx.
Having said all that I think NVidia's general sales and reputation momentum, earned with 8800xx, carried them through much better than forum sentiment indicates - and my impression of the Steam numbers is that NVidia hasn't suffered that much - NVidia still has most sales this year.
If anything it's surprising how little impact HD48xx has had overall in comparison with forum sentiment - it's had a solid 6 months to sell. Overall economic conditions, I guess.
Jawed
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15004
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15050
Looking at Aug-Dec D3D10 cards, in Aug GTX260 has less share than GTX280 (0.45% v 0.64%). That looks like the effect of delayed availability + over-pricing. HD4870 was 3.45% at that time.
NVidia suffered a massive inverse-halo effect over the summer due to their avaricious pricing. At the end of summer there were vague reports on the OcUK forum from staff at the store that sales were 5:1 in favour of HD48xx versus GTX2xx.
Having said all that I think NVidia's general sales and reputation momentum, earned with 8800xx, carried them through much better than forum sentiment indicates - and my impression of the Steam numbers is that NVidia hasn't suffered that much - NVidia still has most sales this year.
If anything it's surprising how little impact HD48xx has had overall in comparison with forum sentiment - it's had a solid 6 months to sell. Overall economic conditions, I guess.
Jawed
Silent_Buddha
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Well that and the fact that Nvidia for once was willing to sacrifice margins in order to minimize loss of marketshare. Something they were unwilling to do with NV30.
Then again ATI has a much better reputation (even after R600) now than they did back when R300 was going against NV30.
Regards,
SB
Then again ATI has a much better reputation (even after R600) now than they did back when R300 was going against NV30.
Regards,
SB
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
January's results are out:
4800 series:
+0.78% in January
4.24% total market share
GT200:
+.35% (GTX 260: +0.26% // GTX 280: +0.09%) in January
1.9% total market share (GTX 260: 1.18% // GTX 280: 0.72%)
Windows:
XP x86:
-2.57%
64.61% total market share
Vista:
+2.47 % (x86: +1.59% // x64: +0.88%)
33.92% total market share (x86: 25.51% // x64: 8.41%)
DirectX 10 systems (Vista and DX10 GPU):
~+2.84%
22.88% total market share
[edit] fixed dx 10 market share [/edit]
January's results are out:
4800 series:
+0.78% in January
4.24% total market share
GT200:
+.35% (GTX 260: +0.26% // GTX 280: +0.09%) in January
1.9% total market share (GTX 260: 1.18% // GTX 280: 0.72%)
Windows:
XP x86:
-2.57%
64.61% total market share
Vista:
+2.47 % (x86: +1.59% // x64: +0.88%)
33.92% total market share (x86: 25.51% // x64: 8.41%)
DirectX 10 systems (Vista and DX10 GPU):
~+2.84%
22.88% total market share
[edit] fixed dx 10 market share [/edit]
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Silent_Buddha
Legend
8800 series +1.17%
Was there some huge sales on 8800 series cards over the holidays or something?
GTX 280 is still floundering. Only +0.09. I wonder if GTX 285 or GTX 295 are going to have a more significant impact or not.
Then again I still really REALLY wish there was a breakdown for the 4800 series. It'd be interesting ot see if the 4870x2 was selling in similar quantities to the GTX 280.
And nice to see that at least for one month, AMD stopped bleeding CPU share to Intel. At least in Steam. Wonder if it's because they actually have a competitive performance-midrange chip now.
Regards,
SB
Was there some huge sales on 8800 series cards over the holidays or something?
GTX 280 is still floundering. Only +0.09. I wonder if GTX 285 or GTX 295 are going to have a more significant impact or not.
Then again I still really REALLY wish there was a breakdown for the 4800 series. It'd be interesting ot see if the 4870x2 was selling in similar quantities to the GTX 280.
And nice to see that at least for one month, AMD stopped bleeding CPU share to Intel. At least in Steam. Wonder if it's because they actually have a competitive performance-midrange chip now.
Regards,
SB
The worst thing is the amount of DX10 hardware out there, but less than half of it can be used through DX10 because users aren't on Vista...
Blame MS for tying the DX10 API to Vista, or users for not upgrading their software ?
I went BACK to XP after trying Vista for half a year. for I could not see any benefit DX10 has currently over DX9. Assasin's Creed might be one thing but I already have that on the 360 so no reason to go back to Vista for that again. No, I'll wait for half a year so Win7, the beta is behaving better than Vista ever did on my system.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Added to that I physically cringe everytime I'm forced to use XP (or RDP to my WHS server).
But that's neither here nor there. After Nvidia fixed their drivers and Creative at least got theirs stable in Vista, there hasn't been any negatives to using it. SP1 also helped out with a few issues also. Although I still hear reports of bad vista support in HP printer drivers.
Either way, XP is slowly going away and giving ground to Vista. Similar to the adoption rate of XP over Win9.x
Regards,
SB
But that's neither here nor there. After Nvidia fixed their drivers and Creative at least got theirs stable in Vista, there hasn't been any negatives to using it. SP1 also helped out with a few issues also. Although I still hear reports of bad vista support in HP printer drivers.
Either way, XP is slowly going away and giving ground to Vista. Similar to the adoption rate of XP over Win9.x
Regards,
SB
I agree that while I didn't notice a huge difference moving from XP to Vista, I certainly notice it when I'm forced to use XP again, such as on my work laptop or WHS. That coupled with the fact that a 64-bit operating system is pretty much a no-brainer at this stage (4GB or RAM is what, <$30 now?), I see no compelling reasons not to get Vista x64 over XP at least with new PCs. Certainly there's no need for a lot of people to upgrade or anything - particularly if they have dated hardware - but Vista is pretty firmly at the point of being strictly better than XP.
Plus DX10 is awesome if you're a developer. Man do you notice how crappy DX9 was when you are forced to use *that* again And finally we have at least one game (Far Cry 2) that has a decent DX10 implementation that indeed does perform better on the newer/better API.
In any case, whether people wait for Windows 7 or upgrade to Vista sometime this year I think it's clear that the shift will continue to happen, which will finally allow developers to focus on DX10/11 implementations rather than adding them as an afterthought. To this point it has been a bit of a chicken/egg problem, but I suspect by next year (2010) DX10/11 will be the baseline target for most games in development (that don't also have to run on 360 of course), even if there still is a DX9 fall-back path. That's a reasonably fast adoption rate IMHO.
Plus DX10 is awesome if you're a developer. Man do you notice how crappy DX9 was when you are forced to use *that* again
And finally we have at least one game (Far Cry 2) that has a decent DX10 implementation that indeed does perform better on the newer/better API.In any case, whether people wait for Windows 7 or upgrade to Vista sometime this year I think it's clear that the shift will continue to happen, which will finally allow developers to focus on DX10/11 implementations rather than adding them as an afterthought. To this point it has been a bit of a chicken/egg problem, but I suspect by next year (2010) DX10/11 will be the baseline target for most games in development (that don't also have to run on 360 of course), even if there still is a DX9 fall-back path. That's a reasonably fast adoption rate IMHO.
I kept having stability issues, non-responding programs or basic things like Race Driver: GRiD failing to start and when your spooler service crashes when you try to print (yes, a "dated" laser AiO from HP) every three tries.
But one of the MAIN reasons is proper lack of multilingual support. My Wife's Taiwanese and Microsoft failed to provide a proper language pack in time so I could run English+Trad.Chin LP.
February's Result:
(cliff notes: 4800 sold slight more in Feb than Jan, 260 stayed the same, 280 almost double its sales, XP lost slightly more market share than it did in Jan, Vista x86 gained slight more than usual, Vista x64 gained slightly less than usual, DX 10 gained slightly less than last month)
4800 series:
+0.84% in January
5.09% total market share
GT200:
+.42% (GTX 260: +0.25% // GTX 280: +0.17%) in January
2.32% total market share (GTX 260: 1.41% // GTX 280: 0.91%)
Windows:
XP x86:
-2.98%
62.41% total market share
Vista:
+2.75% (x86: +2.02% // x64: +0.73%)
36.01% total market share (x86: 25.51% // x64: 8.41%)
DirectX 10 systems (Vista and DX10 GPU):
~+1.87%
24.75% total market share
(cliff notes: 4800 sold slight more in Feb than Jan, 260 stayed the same, 280 almost double its sales, XP lost slightly more market share than it did in Jan, Vista x86 gained slight more than usual, Vista x64 gained slightly less than usual, DX 10 gained slightly less than last month)
4800 series:
+0.84% in January
5.09% total market share
GT200:
+.42% (GTX 260: +0.25% // GTX 280: +0.17%) in January
2.32% total market share (GTX 260: 1.41% // GTX 280: 0.91%)
Windows:
XP x86:
-2.98%
62.41% total market share
Vista:
+2.75% (x86: +2.02% // x64: +0.73%)
36.01% total market share (x86: 25.51% // x64: 8.41%)
DirectX 10 systems (Vista and DX10 GPU):
~+1.87%
24.75% total market share