Nader

[digitalwanderer]

I was pretty worked up when I first heard the news, but I think I've figured it out and I'm MUCH calmer now.

I think Nader is going to enter the race, but drop out before the election. It'll give him a chance to voice his stands on issues and bring the ones he feels are important to the front, and if he drops out it still won't affect the dethroning of Emperor George.

Thoughts?

 

[Florin]

I hope he just runs all the way to the end. If people really want Democrat, let them vote Democrat. You can't blame people for voting Nader if his platform suits them better.

 

[StefanS]

I think Nader is less of problem to the Democrats. Probably a lot of people that vote for Nader are just so fed up Democrats' political agenda that they rather do not vote at all than to vote a Democrat.
The Democrats should concentrate on capturing the middle of the political spectrum. That's where elections are won.

 

[digitalwanderer]

I think Nader will piss off to many people who just want Bush gone to get effective support, I really do.

 

[Florin]

The Democrats should concentrate on capturing the middle of the political spectrum. That's where elections are won.

It is commonly heard that the Democrats would've won last election if Nader hadn't taken votes away on the liberal and leftish side. That is in fact the reason why so many people oppose another run by Nader this time around. Arguably that means the Democrats should in fact be trying to cater to that part of the electorate in particular.

 

[Florin]

I think Nader will piss off to many people who just want Bush gone to get effective support, I really do.

You're probably right. The media will make sure that voters know that voting Nader indirectly supports Bush.

 

[Humus]

If it's a step away from the two party system I think it's good. There's probably a lot of people that feel they don't have a party that speaks for them.

 

[StefanS]

It is commonly heard that the Democrats would've won last election if Nader hadn't taken votes away on the liberal and leftish side. That is in fact the reason why so many people oppose another run by Nader this time around. Arguably that means the Democrats should in fact be trying to cater to that part of the electorate in particular.

It was the Democrats on fault by letting somebody run with zero charisma that simply wasn't even close to likeable. Wether Nader ran or not was marginal at best in the outcome.

 

[Florin]

It was the Democrats on fault by letting somebody run with zero charisma that simply wasn't even close to likeable. Wether Nader ran or not was marginal at best in the outcome.

The outcome itself was marginal, so you could say it made all the difference in the world

Anyway I agree that Gore has little charisma, but I also believe that anxiously trying to distance himself from the Clinton era and chosing someone like Lieberman as running mate were bad choices and not the direction some Democrat supporters were looking for. Hence Nader.

 

[digitalwanderer]

If it's a step away from the two party system I think it's good. There's probably a lot of people that feel they don't have a party that speaks for them.

I agree with that in theory, but I think the time for exercising and expanding our options is AFTER we get the insane and meglomaniacal dictatorship out of power before they totally hose our country and the world up.

I think we aught to worry about getting back what we've lost before we start pushing for new gains.

 

[StefanS]

It was the Democrats on fault by letting somebody run with zero charisma that simply wasn't even close to likeable. Wether Nader ran or not was marginal at best in the outcome.

The outcome itself was marginal, so you could say it made all the difference in the world

Anyway I agree that Gore has little charisma, but I also believe that anxiously trying to distance himself from the Clinton era and chosing someone like Lieberman as running mate were bad choices and not the direction some Democrat supporters were looking for. Hence Nader.

I think it is always easier to put the blame on somebody else, but making Nader the scape goat didn't help the Democrats.If they had done a better job than they did, they would have won. It is just as simple as that.
Crying over spilt milk or trying to convince Nader not to run will not help them in any way. On the contrary it makes them look weak

 

[digitalwanderer]

I think it is always easier to put the blame on somebody else, but making Nader the scape goat didn't help the Democrats.If they had done a better job than they did, they would have won. It is just as simple as that.
Crying over spilt milk or trying to convince Nader not to run will not help them in any way. On the contrary it makes them look weak

Fair point, but in an odd way Nader might actually help out the Democrats too by galvanizing 'em against him.

Whatever happens, it's going to be a very interesting election year again. 8)

 

[John Reynolds]

If it's a step away from the two party system I think it's good. There's probably a lot of people that feel they don't have a party that speaks for them.

 

[Natoma]

All Gore had to do was win his home state Tennessee. He couldn't do that. Pathetic.

Anyways, Nader is right about the Democratic party. It's too cautious, too staid, too spineless. Embodied perfectly in John Kerry.

* Natoma leaves Democratic Party and becomes Independent once Kerry is officially the nominee

 

[digitalwanderer]

All Gore had to do was win his home state Tennessee. He couldn't do that. Pathetic.

Anyways, Nader is right about the Democratic party. It's too cautious, too staid, too spineless. Embodied perfectly in John Kerry.

* Natoma leaves Democratic Party and becomes Independent once Kerry is officially the nominee

I never thought I'd be calling Natoma a Bush lover....

 

[Natoma]

Yea right.

Kerry is only a slight upgrade over Bush imo. Part of me would rather have Bush for another 4 years, let him and his administration fuck up this country even worse than they have already, and finally get people fed up enough to actually do something to really change this country, rather than go for the "slightly improved" model in Kerry, and get another 4 year fuck job, democratic party style.

Kerry..... God I can rant on him and his voting record/flip flopping stances so badly..... But then I'll just be a Kerry-Hater instead of a Bush-Hater.

 

[akira888]

If it's a step away from the two party system I think it's good. There's probably a lot of people that feel they don't have a party that speaks for them.

Amen to that. How about a small-governmernt, isolationist party? Given recent developments this would be a positive change.

 

[StefanS]

If it's a step away from the two party system I think it's good. There's probably a lot of people that feel they don't have a party that speaks for them.

Amen to that. How about a small-governmernt, isolationist party? Given recent developments this would be a positive change.

Switching to a proportional voting system would do that job fairly easy and very quick. The problem is none of the big two are going to change that. So the only option you're stuck with is getting people to really consider small parties as an alternative in elections which is going to be very tough...

 

[kyleb]

If it's a step away from the two party system I think it's good. There's probably a lot of people that feel they don't have a party that speaks for them.

but seeing as how Nader is independent this time, i can't rightly give them one.

 

[jvd]

I voted for nader and i would again in a second. But i have to vote for bush. All we need is another clinton in office and we will all go to hell .