Madrid bombing an Al-Qaeda victory?
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digitalwanderer
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That makes the score what now, 2-0 with the bad guys ahead? :|
I dont know if thats how i would read the score board. We are not in the loop about all the victories/captures we have had. So who knows how many we killed/captured already.digitalwanderer said:
On the other hand, this was a clear score for the terrorists.
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Joe DeFuria
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John Reynolds said:
Other than I agree with much of it, not really.
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epicstruggle said:
Right.
It's basically impossible to keep score so-to-speak, because we "score" only when the status-quo (no successful attacks) is maintained.
digitalwanderer
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epicstruggle said:
Really? It's pretty clear cut how I read it. They've had two stunningly successful attacks, we haven't had any.
Did I miss something?
The only real glaring error in the article that's occurred to me is the failure to address the potential swing vote generated by the Popular party so quickly blaming the ETA for the bombings.
http://www.sltrib.com/2004/mar/03152004/commenta/commenta.asp
I think Gwynn pretty much says it all here.
I think Gwynn pretty much says it all here.
According to many UK news broadcasts this is what quite a large swing. Evidently (much like the UK) there was a fair amount of dissatisfaction with the populace in the "spin" from the government - generally they felt manipulated by the governments messaging and that many of the inquireries went the governments way (way, that doesn't happen in the UK at all!John Reynolds said:
). The jump on the ETA bandwagon probably swung the vote quite significantly as it only servered to heighten the feeling that this was more manipulation.In this WP article, they go in detail regarding campaign of "Blame ETA" the party launched. However, I am afraid the reason why Spanish voted the government out and what Al-Qiuda thinks happed are two different things. In other words, terrorists will think they won regardless of underlying reasons.
The fact that you havent missed a thing should clue you in. We have prevented any further attacks on US soil. Thats a major victory. We dont know how many people have been killed due to this war on terror. Its easier to keep track of scores for the terrorist. Its alot harder to see our victories/scores, because they are usually kept secret.digitalwanderer said:
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epic
here is another article i found on my the israeli pages i visit
http://www.israelforum.com/dynamix/page.pl?sn=158
http://www.israelforum.com/dynamix/page.pl?sn=158
It doesnt mean that eta didnt help with logistics or some planning. i doubt though that they were involved.Clashman said:
later,
epic
Methodology, explosives used, and the suspects seen in the stations are all close from AQ then ETA.
And if spanish voted like that it seems it s more because a part that usually is not taking time to vote decided to vote that time for two reasons:
- Of courese emotion due to bombs;
- angry against theit government that tried to blatantly lie about who was bombing.
And if spanish voted like that it seems it s more because a part that usually is not taking time to vote decided to vote that time for two reasons:
- Of courese emotion due to bombs;
- angry against theit government that tried to blatantly lie about who was bombing.
Did the govermnent actually say "ETA did it" or did they say "We think ETA did it". One is a fact, the other an opinion. Anyone know?PatrickL said:
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epic
It is exactly what surprised us the most.
After the explosions we had all spanish officials in france invited on all our medias. They were preaching for ETA being guilty and when journalists, terrorist experts here tried to say that the methodology the motivations did not seem to be the way ETA acts but rather like AQ methods they refused to go further and stayed with a leitmotiv: it is ETA and nothing else.
Since that we learned that in fact Spanish Government asked them to act like that and to only talk about ETA.
After the explosions we had all spanish officials in france invited on all our medias. They were preaching for ETA being guilty and when journalists, terrorist experts here tried to say that the methodology the motivations did not seem to be the way ETA acts but rather like AQ methods they refused to go further and stayed with a leitmotiv: it is ETA and nothing else.
Since that we learned that in fact Spanish Government asked them to act like that and to only talk about ETA.
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