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[wco81]

If you load pics on your PC, why would you want to send the photos to the X360 again?

Why wouldn't you view or edit them on the PC itself, which is going to have better photo tools?

Or if you want to watch on TV, why not send it directly to the TV? Also, there are peripherals that connect a card reader to your S-video port. Or TVs with card reader slots built in.

 

[jvd]

If you load pics on your PC, why would you want to send the photos to the X360 again?

To stream to the x360 thats attached to the tv so that family can see them when they are over instead of huddling around a tv ?

To use to make your gamer tag , or a tag in a game .

To put on so when you vist your friend with your x360 u can show him that wild night at the bar .


A few reasons .

Why wouldn't you view or edit them on the PC itself, which is going to have better photo tools?

Can you back this up with proof that the pc has better photo tools ?

Or if you want to watch on TV, why not send it directly to the TV? Also, there are peripherals that connect a card reader to your S-video port. Or TVs with card reader slots built in.

why turn your ps3 on and upload them to the ps3 to display them on the screen when u can just connect a card reader to your s-video port or a tv with it built in ?

 

[PARANOiA]

Am with pc999 even 1 dollar for 1 map is too much. They should give you like 5 maps for a dollar. The devs can still make a lot of money for that price.

I think your expecations are way, way overly optimistic.

Even if that happens to be your ceiling, you must concede that having the option to pay a few bucks for more levels (ie, more gameplay) is a fantastic thing, whether it suits you or not. I'd much rather have the option than not have it!

 

[wco81]

Oh is there a console port of Photoshop that Adobe just announced?

Or Picasa or iPhoto or any of the various photo library software?

Hey I think viewing photos through any console is pointless. You want to share and email your photos so they're better off on the PC unless the consoles get the same kind of infrastructure that computers have.

 

[Tap In]

... even 1 dollar for 1 map is too much. ....

actually it's worth exactly what people will pay for it.


If the game is good and has a solid presence online (Splinter Cell, Rainbow, Halo, Ghost Recon etc) they can, and currently do, offer some free maps and some premium maps.

Maybe you wouldn't pay it but a lot of people who are enjoying the game online and want to play those maps with competitors, will and do pay it.


This is not theory, it's happening now and a lot of the devs are giving it to us for free.


It's not much different from the PC which for years has released add-on packs to existing games.

 

[jvd]

Oh is there a console port of Photoshop that Adobe just announced?

Or Picasa or iPhoto or any of the various photo library software?

How many average consumers own these products ?

Also how do you know what ms is including in the x360. Ms has thier own photo tools like picture it that works very well and i perfer for many things over photoshop esp since it was free .

 

[wco81]

jvd said:

Can you back this up with proof that the pc has better photo tools ?

And I named a few apps. Picasa is free download and iPhoto has come with all new Macs the past few years.

Then there are a number of low-priced or bundled apps. like Photoshop Elements and others.

Then jvd's response was:

How many average consumers own these products ?

Also how do you know what ms is including in the x360. Ms has thier own photo tools like picture it that works very well and i perfer for many things over photoshop esp since it was free .

So I guess you're conceding that there are more photo tools on the PC?

But they are expensive or average consumers don't have them?

What do you think the millions of people who buy digital cameras use every year? They get software bundled or they buy software.

 

[jvd]

And I named a few apps. Picasa is free download and iPhoto has come with all new Macs the past few years.

Then there are a number of low-priced or bundled apps. like Photoshop Elements and others.

Then jvd's response was:

And you have yet to show that the x360 wont have anything to compare to these .

So I guess you're conceding that there are more photo tools on the PC?

But they are expensive or average consumers don't have them?

What do you think the millions of people who buy digital cameras use every year? They get software bundled or they buy software.

More does not equal better and you claimed

Why wouldn't you view or edit them on the PC itself, which is going to have better photo tools?

And you named programs with out comparing them to the x360's programs . OF course I don't blame you becaue ms hasn't announced any photo editing tools for the x360.

But then again you should make comments in which you have no facts of proof to back up your claim. You simply like me , don't know how capable the x360 will be for photo editing .

 

[wco81]

What X360 photo software is there?

You're the one claiming a console could have something better than a category of software well and long-established on computers. You have to come up with proof there is something better coming along.

So where is this software?

I don't know of any but you seem to think there will be something beyond merely being able to view photos.

 

[randycat99]

Wow!...quite confrontational, he is [jvd]. Where's a mod when you need one?

 

[Tap In]

I would only use the feature to show people my photos on TV as neither my current TV nor camera have a function to do so.

 

[DigitalSoul]

I don't see why this should even be such a big issue. I don't the "average consumer" using the X360(or even PS3 for that matter) to edit their photos of their "Vacation to the Grand Canyon" or whatever.

People already have access to a variety of photo software and hardware(mouse, wacom etc.) for their PC that gives them better precision for their photo editing needs. I mean what will MS put in the X360 that will surpass whats already available on the PC?

It will be nice to view all your photos on a bigger screen, but its not like you can't do that already with most DVD players(PhotoCd's). Although, such features will be nice for screwing around with your photo/avatar and such for use on XBL or something along those lines.

 

[Bobbler]

What X360 photo software is there?

You're the one claiming a console could have something better than a category of software well and long-established on computers. You have to come up with proof there is something better coming along.

So where is this software?

I don't know of any but you seem to think there will be something beyond merely being able to view photos.

I agree.

I would be very surprised if the abilities of the Xbox360 had anything greater than MSPaint. I have a feeling its photo abilities will be limited to viewing only. There is no evidence (that I've seen) that would make me believe otherwise.

Thinking it is going to have some substantial photo software that maybe a fraction of the user base will use is rather silly. It's not feasible for MS to spend money creating a photo editor for X360 when the only real use would be to edit photos for Live! -- but then why not use a PC at that point? (transfer the photo from PC to X360)

MS isn't going to put effort creating something that isn't going to be used. Who would want to bother fiddling with a console for photo editing when they can just use a PC -- especially considering most peoples computer monitors will output at higher resolutions than their TVs. Why would you want to use a controller over mouse for it? etc, etc.

Can you back this up with proof that the pc has better photo tools ?

It is completely absurd to think that a product for consumer use (how many people would actually use photo editing on a console?) is going to beat or even match photo software used in professional industries. It is silly at best.

Your splitting hairs and grasping at straws here. It doesn't even make sense why you'd think it would have anything outside of a photo viewer, let alone a program with similar power as Photoshop.

The proof that PC has better tools is the fact that PC currently has tools at all -- Xbox360 currently has none that I can go down to the store and get. Where is your proof that it has anything comparable?

 

[jvd]

What X360 photo software is there?

You're the one claiming a console could have something better than a category of software well and long-established on computers. You have to come up with proof there is something better coming along.

So where is this software?

I don't know of any but you seem to think there will be something beyond merely being able to view photos.

No your the one who made a general claim that you can't back up. The x360 photo software hasn't been announced. So there for we can't compare it to anything. All your doing is assuming and I disagree with you .

Wow!...quite confrontational, he is [jvd]. Where's a mod when you need one?

Wow randy catt jumping in again. He made a claim that i disagree with , a claim he can't not prove . I asked him to prove his claim , he is unable to do so

I would be very surprised if the abilities of the Xbox360 had anything greater than MSPaint. I have a feeling its photo abilities will be limited to viewing only. There is no evidence (that I've seen) that would make me believe otherwise.

Yet there is no evidence to lead you to believe its functions will be ms paint lvls .

It is completely absurd to think that a product for consumer use (how many people would actually use photo editing on a console?) is going to beat or even match photo software used in professional industries. It is silly at best.

I've already mentioned ms picture it which would be trival to port over to the x360 . This lvl of photo editing is on par with others on the pc and ms is already giving it away free ( i got mine when i bought ms paper for my printer ) Not to mention that some would find it silly to make avi , divx , mepg movie converters for a hand held consumer devcie yet they exist for the psp as a matter of fact there is a photo editer for the ngage if i recall correctly

Your splitting hairs and grasping at straws here. It doesn't even make sense why you'd think it would have anything outside of a photo viewer, let alone a program with similar power as Photoshop.

Ms hasn't announced either way . I asked the person what leads him to believe the pc will have better tools . He states it as a fact . Yet he has no proof to back it up. As it is , its a question mark. Making a generalization that something is in fact better than another thing when there is no proof either way is simply trolling .

The proof that PC has better tools is the fact that PC currently has tools at all -- Xbox360 currently has none that I can go down to the store and get. Where is your proof that it has anything comparable?

That is not proof at all considering the x360 is not a released product nor has anything been released on it . That is like claiming the jaguar is a better gaming machine than the ps3 because the ps3 hasn't been released yet .

 

[Bobbler]

That is not proof at all considering the x360 is not a released product nor has anything been released on it . That is like claiming the jaguar is a better gaming machine for the ps3 because the ps3 hasn't been released yet .

Actually it would be like saying the Jaguar has a better list of titles released than the PS3. It does.


Here is a better question: What makes you think there will be a photo editor?

You seem to require facts to back up the lack of one, how about some facts to back up the existance of one? Just like he can't prove the non existance, you can't prove the existance -- so what was the point of your posts? If you can't prove the opposite, then your points hold no water.

I'm interested to hear this -- I haven't heard either way, but I haven't heard anything to make me think there will be one -- in this industry (as with most) that is often enough to confirm its non existance (hence the reason most don't consider it happening).

 

[wco81]

You're right jvd, I can see all the graphic artists and professional photographers ditching their high-end PCs and Macs for X360s.

And I'm sure Best Buy will run bundling specials of digicams and X360s.

X360, going to revolutionize photography!!!

 

[randycat99]

They'll call it "MS Super Halo-Paint"...photo editing evolved!

 

[rabidrabbit]

I guess the lack of mouse or other similar precise control coming as standard is proof enough there won't be very advanced (if any) photo editing software in xbox360.
This arguing is getting ridiculous.

 

[jvd]

Here is a better question: What makes you think there will be a photo editor?

There is no proof either way . However that is not what was being discussed. He is claiming that if there is one (As he claims that a fictional or real ) would be worse than what the pc offers and I disagree . We are not talking about if there will be one , as he never asks , he simplys states that the pc will simply be better at it .

You seem to require facts to back up the lack of one, how about some facts to back up the existance of one? Just like he can't prove the non existance, you can't prove the existance -- so what was the point of your posts? If you can't prove the opposite, then your points hold no water.

Once again you are argueing something you do not understand . Read his posts . He is the one suggesting that such a thing exists (Which it could or could not ) and makes the case that it has to be worse than the pc version at the tast . The discusion is not on if it exists or if it doesn't .

You're right jvd, I can see all the graphic artists and professional photographers ditching their high-end PCs and Macs for X360s.

And I'm sure Best Buy will run bundling specials of digicams and X360s.

X360, going to revolutionize photography!!!

Well now we get to the simply fact that you were just trolling . You stated something as a fact . That is has to be worse and I want to know why you believe this . You have so far just told me because . There is no announced photo editing tool. But what makes you think that there can't be one on the lvl of photo shop ? Your right an average consumer may not need it . But then how about someone who wants to make content for a game ? Surely your going to want something more powerfully than ms paint to make parralex maps or bump maps . Not to mention there are ton of casual users that use powerfull profession apps like photo shop and the others you've suggested on thier pc .

 

[wco81]

I guess the lack of mouse or other similar precise control coming as standard is proof enough there won't be very advanced (if any) photo editing software in xbox360.
This arguing is getting ridiculous.

The thing is, that wasn't my main point, whether computers would have better photo editing and cataloging tools.

My main point was, if you have to load photos on a PC before you stream to the X360, why bother transfer them, since you're going to have to edit them on the PC to email them or upload them to a share site or to store them in a catalog?

MS thinks this would be a good idea, to have their products work with each other so that they cross-stimulate sales. But would it necessarily make sense for consumers?

BTW, I don't think loading photos on the PS3 makes big sense either. KK has talked about Cell Storage to enhance pics but that's just an idea, not an actual product or service. Until that materializes, there's no compelling reason to load your photos to a console as well as a computer.