Late, noisy, HUGE!!! - makes 17k Mark...

[T2k]

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The latest reviews I have read are still using 3DMark2001 SE. It is a 2 year old benchmark, and still going strong!

It doesn't mean it's the best.
Moreover its obviously NOT ONLY D3D bench - just take the CPU FSB... I think we need a pure D3D-bench.
Especially now, around showtime of GFFX...

Can't say the same for any other benchmark, now can you.

Can't you say "marketing", can you?

Anyway, 3DMark03 is coming and is introducing a new line of tests again.

Wow? Shall we forget the word: "FSB"?

We did also focus a bit more on the image quality this year. I did my best on pushing more IQ testing into 3DMark.

Glad to hear...
How you'll measure? I'm really curious about the IQ of the new NV-line.

 

[ben6]

that is one cute cat. Mine looks just like that but orange . She loves laying on top of the computer case /monitor (i think it's the heat LOL) I try to move her and she gets grumpy

 

[LeStoffer]

Well, at least I can show you someone who adores 3DMark:

That's just too cute! Butterflies yummi-yummi!

 

[Doomtrooper]

] Oh where have you been the last year? This topic has been all over the place, but here it goes.. We didn't make the PS1.4 into the Game Tests simply because we wanted the 2001 and 2001 SE scores to be comparable. We didn't want to add 1 more Game Test that would have shifted the whole scoring system of the program. So, we made it as a feature test. Simple as that really.

No its not that simple, so in Futuremarks management its ok to Release V1 of 3Dmark to the public and all DX8 class cards (at the time) get huge score increases from Nature..all DX7 class cards were tough luck to you..yet when DX 8.1 is released its not ok now to change the scoring but ok to all DX8 class ??

Who said rewriting another game test..rewrite Nature for Pixel Shader 1.4 support...how would that have 'shifted the scoring'.

 

[Dave Baumann]

that is one cute cat. Mine looks just like that but orange . She loves laying on top of the computer case /monitor (i think it's the heat LOL) I try to move her and she gets grumpy

hehe - He's 14 weeks old, and we only got him a couple of weeks ago. Now that he's coming out of the nervous phase with us he's started to become quite a pest - his favourite place appears to be my test bed room and I can't use a bloody computer when he's around as he'll either be on the keyboard or chasing the damned pointer round the screen!

 

[Nappe1]

Speaking of which, I've got this new benchmark I'm selling....

D3D or OGL? 8)

Actually, neither. Its a suite of tests I call "ForumMark".

It has several tests:

1) FlameMark: It measures the correllation between Doomtrooper, HellBinder and flame wars. Only certain vendors' forums seemed to score well on this one, makes one wonder eh...? The results of this were astounding and brought to light other avenues of benchmarking.
2) JoeMark: One of the avenues of benchmarking that came to light was the measurement of Joe getting the last word in. Suprisingly, every forum scores well on this one.
3) ChalnothMark: Also known as ATI-hata-Mark.
3) Nazi/FascistMark: A simple tally of accusations. Most useful for political discussion boards.
4) FanboiMark: Very similar to Nazi/FascistMark. Tuned for computer forums, however.
5) Snidemark: Because I have personal insight on this one, its usually the most accurate test of all. (One might say it was aimed at promoting a particular user....but that would be fodder for
6) ConspiracyMark: It uses a complex scatter/gather with fuzzy logic algorithm to piece together the different conspiracy theories found hidden deep within the forum Codex. It applies numerology and other cabbalistic methods for returning the encoded messages. This forum apparently returns "Weebles Wobble...". Perhaps the algorithm isn't working quite right.

[EDIT] I forgot HumorMark. It scored this particular post rather low.

and yep, you forgot the NapBadLuckMark 9000
if you score better than I did, you truly have some damn strong curse going on...

so, what's my score?? well the 512 bit signed integer rolled over 5 times and stopped on 8 that was edgewise...

 

[demalion]

]
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Anyway, 3DMark03 is coming and is introducing a new line of tests again. We did also focus a bit more on the image quality this year. I did my best on pushing more IQ testing into 3DMark.
...

While an actual direct, and detailed, response to my post would have been interesting, this comment is encouraging atleast, even if I'm still left with questions. I look forward to seeing what you have done.

 

[Nappe1]

Worm, I know that you are reading this thread so Might take this route to send this note (I am not in my own comp right now...) so take a look of your PM box.

 

[Himself]

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Anyway, 3DMark03 is coming and is introducing a new line of tests again.

Wow? Shall we forget the word: "FSB"?

Can you explain this FSB problem? Are you referring to some issue where someone boots at a slow fsb and runs some software to increase it after 3dmark has started? I read some rumour that this can affect the scores somehow. If it's true then it sounds like something very tricky to detect in software.

If you are just complaining that faster systems get faster results, that doesn't make sense to me. I honestly would like to know what the issue is.

 

[Doomtrooper]

Change the name would be a start..ummmm..Futuremark sounds good, not nearly as misleading as 3Dmark.

 

[stevem]

Tom isn't exactly the most honest reviewer out their either.

I see, discredit this source although you equate it in voracity to your prior litany of links (sans R3D) as the facts don't support your a priori belief... Besides it wasn't as an adjunct to a review of which he's (in)famous for. Just airing dirty laundry. Poor, to be sure.

BTW I was cut-to-the-quick by some of those ascerbic benchmarkisms.

 

[Slides]

I see, discredit this source although you equate it in voracity to your prior litany of links (sans R3D) as the facts don't support your a priori belief... Besides it wasn't as an adjunct to a review of which he's (in)famous for. Just airing dirty laundry. Poor, to be sure.

BTW I was cut-to-the-quick by some of those ascerbic benchmarkisms.

What are you talking about? I just responded to the comment that Kyle's work should not be trusted. I'm not taking any sides in the Kyle vs. Tom vs. Van altercation, as I could care less, but I was not the first poster to discredit a source of an article.

I also was not the first person to mention the quack issue. My original one liner was meant as a retort to those who were going off on their futuremark-nvidia conspiracy theories.

And what facts don't support my beliefs? That the second incarnation of Christ, ATI itself, could possibly ever try to dishonestly fudge its early benchmarks to get better results for early reviews? Is that too hard for some people to believe? This is a company, which like Nvidia is trying to earn a profit. Companies sometimes overstep the boundaries of what constitutes dishonesty or legitimate competition. That is why consumers should be skeptical if claims from a company seem too ludicrous. However, taking this to a level of paranoia, as some people do, is really not needed.

As for ATI, I believe they blundered in the whole quack issue, but my calling them cheat was premature I admit, but it was bought on by the nvida conspiracy buffs and their usual over dramatizations.

 

[Doomtrooper]

Ok average gamer.

 

[Slides]

Ok average gamer.

You don't believe my impeccable newbie credentials?

 

[Brent]

this thread makes me sad now

lol

it went from a gffx thread to a 3dmark thread to a quak thread

 

[Althornin]

Gah, slides, why must you always take things to extremes?
No one here said ATI was the second coming.
your usage of sad attempts to sway opinion by hyperbole suggest a weak argument.

And yes, this thread is indeed a sad thing.
Now, ta change the topic further, read em and weep:
My bandwidth scores (real)

 

[Slides]

Gah, slides, why must you always take things to extremes?
No one here said ATI was the second coming.
your usage of sad attempts to sway opinion by hyperbole suggest a weak argument.

Accusations of hyperbole and taking things to the extreme from the guy who called me a moron and told me to shut up? LOL, like I said, one would think you were born out of ATI's womb judging by your reaction to my needling ATI.

Nice Upload rate!

 

[Fuz]

Althornin:
Not too bad at all. I have had better though!

Your nearing 900 kb/s, I had 1.2 mb/s one time. The only downside is it only lasted a week. I had cable through telstra, the very first month it was out in sydney. It was supposed to be speed capped, but they got it wrong, so I enjoyed uncapped for a week. Then it went back to 512 k/bits

Now I am back up to 1.5 mbit.

 

[lwells]

Getting this thread back on topic, just recieved this via email (emphasis by me):

Dear English-speaking colleagues,

we have some Information about Terratecs Mystify 5800 and Mystify 5800 Ultra.

- based on nVidias GeforceFX
- both with 128MByte RAM
- both with Video -IN and -OUT (ViVo)
- Release in the middle of February
- Normal Version -> 549.- Euro
- Ultra Version -> 599.- Euro

(only 50.- Euro difference)

Read more at K-Hardware...

German Release of the GeforceFX
http://www.k-hardware.de/news.php?s=&news_id=1545

So, it would seem that there is a 'Normal' and 'Ultra' version. Yet this would seem to contradict what BFG had to say...?

Edit: link to Google's translation.

LW.

 

[nggalai]

hehe - He's 14 weeks old, and we only got him a couple of weeks ago. Now that he's coming out of the nervous phase with us he's started to become quite a pest - his favourite place appears to be my test bed room and I can't use a bloody computer when he's around as he'll either be on the keyboard or chasing the damned pointer round the screen!

My cat died five years ago. As I had lived with him for 18 years, I got too attached to him to get another one.

Well, prehaps I should give it a try. Thanks for the photo, Wavey.

ta,
-Sascha.rb