Is it possible Nintendo new console can make it out for 2005

[Teasy]

Well that's in Europe isn't ? Europe got it pretty late.

But compared to when XBox and GC came out here PS2 wasn't late. As in PS2 still had time here to get a massive lead over the other two. It did get a big lead, but it would have been bigger without the poor software lineup. I really don't think PS2 not doing as well as it should have, worldwide, can be blamed on supply problems as much as it can on a terrible lack of software.

But then even if it was all down to supply problems, supply problems don't have to happen, and they might not happen with PS3 and XBox2.

Well Sega went for a 'generation-and-a-half- console with the DreamCast (if you want to think of it as PSX/N64 gen + 1/2), and some have argued that the graphical leap wasn't great enough to the casual buyer to consider it over the price/performance of PSOne.

IMO Dreamcast was way more then PSX and a half. It was far more powerful, easily a full generation ahead. I think there were many reasons why it failed, but not looking much better then PSX was not one of them AFAICS.

If both Sony and MS launch their nextgen in the same year/season (and that's AFAIK an if), I expect very expensive marketing campaigns and price battles from both companys

If that is happening I honestly don't think Nintendo is willing to contribute to this fight in the same way Sony and MS will if their past is anything to go by.

Well again past is past, its based on how the market was not how it is or how it will be. Nintendo have upped marketing lately, and there in a comfortable position. Who's to say they wouldn't be allot more agressive if they were ever in a dangerous position?

Anyway, I don't think Nintendo would neccesarilly have to match Sony and MS in marketing. They haven't come close to matching MS in marketing or price wars (game bundles) so far and there doing fine. Nintendo just being there with there new console at the same time as Sony and MS would be enough, they'll pick up there usual customers. One things for sure, it'd certainly be better then releasing a year later IMO. By then they might have lost allot of potential customers to Sony and MS and for no actual advantage as the console won't have time to be significantly better then the other two.

 

[mr]

Hi Teasy,

IMO Dreamcast was way more then PSX and a half. It was far more powerful, easily a full generation ahead. I think there were many reasons why it failed, but not looking much better then PSX was not one of them AFAICS.

Agreed. IMO 4 years after the Saturn/PSX launch (Nov.94 - Nov.98 ) it should be considered a generation ahead. The performance delta between Saturn/PSX and Dreamcast is IMO pretty big.

Nintendo have upped marketing lately, and there in a comfortable position. Who's to say they wouldn't be allot more agressive if they were ever in a dangerous position?

If we assume that they're quite happy where they are, than that is of course a valid argument.
Where do you think Nintendo wants itself to be? (honest question)

 

[Tagrineth]

Actually, I think one thing that hurt Dreamcast WAS lack of awareness. After I recently got one myself, my mum watched me playing one day and asked what console it was, if it was a new GameCube game I got? And I said no, it's Dreamcast! And she was honestly surprised by Dreamcast's IQ.

(BTW, I was playing Grandia II)

 

[zurich]

Only reason why I said DC was a 32bit gen and a half was because by popular (media) opinion, it was never included in the PS2/Xbox/GC bunch. Objectively speaking, it should have been, but it wasn't... soo...

 

[Teasy]

If we assume that they're quite happy where they are, than that is of course a valid argument.
Where do you think Nintendo wants itself to be? (honest question)

I think they want to be number one. But what a company wants at best and what they're happy with are two different things. I think while they want to be number one they are happy with how its going right now. Nintendo may be sort of a wierd company sometimes, but they didn't stay around so long by being stupid. If they thought they weren't doing well enough they'd do something about it (like release a competitive official GC bundle for instance).

Actually, I think one thing that hurt Dreamcast WAS lack of awareness.

Absolutely!

 

[mr]

I think they want to be number one. But what a company wants at best and what they're happy with are two different things. I think while they want to be number one they are happy with how its going right now. Nintendo may be sort of a wierd company sometimes, but they didn't stay around so long by being stupid. If they thought they weren't doing well enough they'd do something about it (like release a competitive official GC bundle for instance).

I feel very much the same about Nintendo.
IMO trying, in actually making massive campaigns on all fronts (Developer, Publisher, Marketing,...), to be No.1 against PS2 would feel like a waste of money, given their current positions excellent profits.
Thats why I thought they wouldn't participate in a spending war between MS and Sony, when there's a possibility for them to use their current business model (which seems to work great for them).

I can imagine them getting more aggressive when getting pushed and it would be quite interesting what they would come up with.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

I think they should launch in 2005, 2008, or 2009.

 

[JacksBleedingEyes]

I think they want to be number one. But what a company wants at best and what they're happy with are two different things. I think while they want to be number one they are happy with how its going right now. Nintendo may be sort of a wierd company sometimes, but they didn't stay around so long by being stupid. If they thought they weren't doing well enough they'd do something about it (like release a competitive official GC bundle for instance).

I feel very much the same about Nintendo.
IMO trying, in actually making massive campaigns on all fronts (Developer, Publisher, Marketing,...), to be No.1 against PS2 would feel like a waste of money, given their current positions excellent profits.
Thats why I thought they wouldn't participate in a spending war between MS and Sony, when there's a possibility for them to use their current business model (which seems to work great for them).

I can imagine them getting more aggressive when getting pushed and it would be quite interesting what they would come up with.

Good point mr. They are making a shit load of profit of GBA as it is. Man at one stage GBA was 40 of the console market. Dont know the figures now though, just talking bout 1998.

Only problem is, well back when we were kids, there was only nintendo. Then came SEGA and so forth. The new generation of kids arent saturated as much in Nintendo as we were, as a result, IMHO they just wont appreciate it as much. And lets face it as much as we adults like playing Nintendo, some grow out of it, some just dont have time and its the kids, that will push a console forward. Always is. Back in the 80s to early 90s nintendo had a cartoon series on TV. For all those who remember. We had mario, as well as ... oh I forgot what it was called. It was about a guy with a nintendo remote control on his waste that could do all this tricky stuff if he pressed buttons on the remote. Really silly stuff, but it all took place in the Nintedo universe.
Hell even Sonic had a TV series. (Although i never did like it as much)
My fear is that if Nintendo is too quiet, the world will move on without them. Which will be pretty sad.

BAHHHH kids nowadays have lost all sense of imagination. Look on TV, look at all that garbage that gets spweed out. Its just not as it used to be before. Feels as though they are brain washing everyone.

 

[Tagrineth]

oh I forgot what it was called. It was about a guy with a nintendo remote control on his waste that could do all this tricky stuff if he pressed buttons on the remote. Really silly stuff, but it all took place in the Nintedo universe.

N TEAM!

 

[JacksBleedingEyes]

HAHAHAHAHA LOL yeah it was
good stuff

 

[Reznor007]

oh I forgot what it was called. It was about a guy with a nintendo remote control on his waste that could do all this tricky stuff if he pressed buttons on the remote. Really silly stuff, but it all took place in the Nintedo universe.

N TEAM!

No, it was Captain N. Other characters on the show were Simon Belmont(Castlvania), Megaman, Mother Brain, Pick(Kid Icarus), Eggplant Wizard(???), Link and Zelda sometimes, and lots more. So it wasn't just Nintendo characters, Capcom and Konami were in it too.

 

[Tagrineth]

Oh? Hmm, well I watched it while I was still living in England (over 10 years ago now) and the show's been off air for even longer than that so I don't remember specifics Oh well, it was fun anyway

 

[Jon Brittan]

With regard to Dreamcast, I'd say that the reason it failed, in the UK at least, was because of Sony, who made sure that despite the fact PS2 was not ready to launch at that point in time, they had a huge advertising campaign, which Sega just could not match.

I picked up a Dreamcast (as I have a tendency to do with most tech.), but most people I knew or spoke to wouldn't consider it as they'd seen the adverts for PS2 and were waiting for that, and besides "What's a Dreamcast?".

I love my Dreamcast, even moreso now the games are ridiculously cheap so I can maintain a massive games library, it sits alongside the rest of my consoles proudly and I certainly enjoy it as much as any of the other machines, it's just a shame Sony killed it before it got off the ground.