Im back! IBM too!

chapback · Nov 26, 2003

Good byeeeee term tests! Helloooo Vengence!

My new post of chap next generation:

PALO ALTO (California) - Intel has unveiled a tiny computer chip built with the next generation of manufacturing technology - called 65-nanometre circuit design - which it expects will be ready for use in 2005, the company said on Monday.

The 65-nanometre milestone is significant because of its tiny size. A nanometre is a billionth of a metre, meaning 10 million 65-nanometre transistors could fit on the tip of a ballpoint pen.

Intel said the development of the new circuits renews its confidence that Moore's Law, which projects the steady improvement of chip performance, will stay in place for another 10 years.

The chip giant also boasted that its creation of 65-nanometre circuits indicates it will be the first company in commercial production two years from now.

'I think Intel is demonstrating a leadership position today,' said scientist Mark Bohr, a senior fellow at Intel.

However, competitors were quick to downplay the claim.

'I think we're all marching to the same time frame,' said IBM spokesman William O'Leary. 'I wouldn't say that puts them in the lead.' IBM also anticipates 65-nanometre manufacturing by the latter half of 2005.

Dr Bohr said the company had demonstrated the circuits on a memory chip called a SRAM, an abbreviation for static random access memory, but it will build computer microprocessors with the new technology.

Each new generation of production equipment allows for chip speeds to increase 40 to 50 per cent, while gaining cost reductions from putting twice as many chips on a wafer of silicon.

Analysts, however, said Intel could have difficulty keeping to its 2005 schedule. The big chipmaker tries to bring in a new generation of production technology every two years.

It adopted 130-nanometre production equipment in the second quarter of 2001, but has fallen behind with its 130-nanometre replacement.

The company still has not put its 90-nanometre technology into commercial deployment after more than two years, said Mr Kevin Krewell, a senior analyst at research firm In-Stat/MDR.

Intel's first 90-nanometre chip, code-named Prescott, is expected this quarter. Mr Krewell believes Prescott has been delayed due to an excessive leakage of electrical current, an increasing problem as chips get smaller and coatings of different metals and materials get thinner. As more power escapes, performance suffers. -- AP

65nm = hurhur by 2005.
so please drop that part of the lovey love from now on.

cybamerc · Nov 26, 2003

Paul in 3... 2... 1...

ChryZ · Nov 26, 2003

I've missed you not. BTW, a topic on the same subject was (re)moved already.

London Geezer · Nov 26, 2003

... and another one locked.....

cybamerc · Nov 26, 2003

The IBM quote wasn't in the other article. I find it interesting and relevant. It certainly goes against what other ppl in here have been saying.

chapback · Nov 26, 2003

cybamerc said:
The IBM quote wasn't in the other article. I find it interesting and relevant. It certainly goes against what other ppl in here have been saying.

!bling bling bling!
cybamerc sees!

London Geezer · Nov 26, 2003

What's with the new username? oh wait, don't answer that... "lost the password" again?

The info is cool, and i really enjoyed the other threads before being locked, let's hope this one stays open...

Panajev2001a · Nov 26, 2003

cybamerc said:
The IBM quote wasn't in the other article. I find it interesting and relevant. It certainly goes against what other ppl in here have been saying.

Not really...

It is a fact that Toshiba's fab will be mass-manufacturing 65 nm products ( I said "products" ) before the beginning of 2005...

Yes they are around the same timeframe... but look... on one side you have IBM, Intel and AMD ( which works with IBM )...

Major Worldwide CPU makers...

How many people would have put SCE ( Toshiba would have gone up there as they still are a big Semiconductor player, above NEC and they still are Japan's 1st Semiconductor player ), now its Semiconductor business is part of SSNC, in that pantheon of racers to 65 nm ?

cybamerc · Nov 26, 2003

Panajev2001a:

> It is a fact that Toshiba's fab will be mass-manufacturing 65 nm products

It's hardly a fact until the actual manufacturing begins.

Panajev2001a · Nov 26, 2003

Unless they announce major delays they are expected to start around September... I am giving them until December 31st... I do not think I am being too optimistic.

So far things are going the way Toshiba originally planned it, that is quite smoothly.

65 nm CELL products will also come from Sony in 2005 as repeated at the last Conferences Sony had.

You do not have to worry, I am not knocking down Nintendo partners, NEC is still the second biggest Semiconductor player in Japan, they are not weaksauces.

cybamerc · Nov 26, 2003

Panajev2001a:

> You do not have to worry, I am not knocking down Nintendo partners

Well, Nintendo hasn't announced any partners aside from ATI. And while it's likely that IBM will supply the CPU Nintendo hasn't made any claims regarding manufacturing processes. Sony has OTOH. Hence why that quote is interesting.

Panajev2001a · Nov 26, 2003

cybamerc said:
Panajev2001a:

> You do not have to worry, I am not knocking down Nintendo partners

Well, Nintendo hasn't announced any partners aside from ATI. And while it's likely that IBM will supply the CPU Nintendo hasn't made any claims regarding manufacturing processes. Sony has OTOH. Hence why that quote is interesting.

It is, but it also isn't: Sony+Toshiba still have the world's smallest e-DRAM cell in the 65 nm node and the second smallest SRAM cell in the 65 nm node ( second only to Intel: 0.6 um^2 vs 0.57 um^2 ).

Paul · Nov 26, 2003

Paul in 3... 2... 1...

I can do the same thing with you in a topic in which PSP is talked about dude, or one in which Nintendo is badmouthed.

But I agree with you with many of your words, especially in that "other" topic. So let's just stay neutral.

Anyway for the article.

Who cares. Toshiba says their own 65 nm fab will be operational and mass producing late 2004. Infact it will be done January doing risk production until later the year.

Who knows more about Toshiba fabs, IBM or Toshiba.

kaching · Nov 26, 2003

65nm = hurhur by 2005.

Please translate. Does "hurhur" mean no 65nm in 2005? If so, how does that claim have anything to do with the comments you placed in bold in which they say, "IBM also anticipates 65-nanometre manufacturing by the latter half of 2005."

Where's the part where they are saying they'll miss 2005 for commercial production of 65nm tech?

EDIT: Paul, you're not helping.

Paul · Nov 26, 2003

Does "hurhur" mean no 65nm in 2005?

"Hurhur" is the new word they use in Jr High.

Vince · Nov 27, 2003

Paul said:
"Hurhur" is the new word they use in Jr High.

Yeah, I heard it down by the sandbox the other day.

chapback · Nov 27, 2003

hurhur = big deal
so, stop making a fussy mountain outta hurhur stuff.

Paul · Nov 27, 2003

hurhur = big deal

Thanks for clarifying.

PC-Engine · Nov 27, 2003

Just wanted to mention that Toshiba being the biggest semiconductor producer in Japan means very little. The most interesting developments in microprocessor technology comes from NEC. Making the most number of chips doesn't mean most talented. Their eDRAM is nice in that it's smaller than competing eDRAMs, however they sacrifice speed in the process.

marconelly! · Nov 27, 2003

Just wanted to mention that Toshiba being the biggest semiconductor producer in Japan means very little. The most interesting developments in microprocessor technology comes from NEC.

That still tells us nothing if Toshiba will or will not start producing those 65nm chips. I don't think their talent (or the lack thereof) has much to do with their manufacturing capabilities.

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