Balanced discussion, sure - but it seems disingenuous to not consider like for like scenarios, flexibility, or even what is actually happening regarding dynamism and then also post it with some trolly air and flavour text.
It's an unfortunate escalation where people's feelings are misplaced, towards/against a vendor and against other posters with whom there's a history because of vendor alliance. This also leads to prejudice against opinions sided with a poster one has a disagreement with. So, someone very neutral like LB can come in and say he doesn't see much impressive in a particular RTX video, which can be subjective and as such he cannot be wrong, and the responses are very negative instead of exploring the whys and wherefores, which then generates frustration from those wanting to unemotionally critique the tech. It's assumed that his lack of excitement for what he's seeing comes from an anti-nVidia stance rather than just being him not being impressed.
There's a thread on this very topic...
It seems intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that the comparison is a bit naff when you consider what is actually happening on the GPU, but to label it "actually trying" in the video - my goodness.
Sadly, we live in a world where people trying to sell products
do 'misrepresent' them. You'll often see 'before-and-after' promo shots where not only does the model have the product/service applied, but they have different hair, makeup, backgrounds, and a smiling face etc. When nVidia first showcased RTX, the 'RTX off' examples weren't representative of the best no raytracing could achieve. There's nothing wrong with people pointing that out to balance the marketing slant that, obviously, nVidia's materials are going to have. And there's nothing wrong with ongoing counterpoints, but as ever, these tend towards extremes. Some of the Metro shots really are dire, but that's quite true of lots of games. However, some of the counter-arguments to these worst-case shots aren't terribly useful - instead of presenting clear evidence to to contrary, you get responses like 'have you even played the game?' as if we all have RTX cards and just can't be arsed to play Metro ourselves, or complaints that the negative view is just biased.
And the same goes the other way. It's typical human discussion. By and large people seem to engage in discussion to prove themselves right/the other guy wrong, rather than to explore and learn. See Brexit shambles where there's a really serious situation and the people involved just spend their efforts slagging each other off instead of finding solid answers. eg. I was asking questions earlier. Iroboto, a very fair an reasonable poster just interested in the discussion, interpreted that as me criticising the tech, instead of just asking questions. The perception of posts is very clouded by expectations, emotions, and prejudices, and that escalates into complaints about prejudices instead of people being able to let go of it all and just talk in the faith that contributors opinions aren't coming from a particular agenda.
I am not sure why, but even Gamer Nexus picked this up and is reporting on it in such a manner:
This is a good example of poor discussion. You link to a 27 minute saying how wrong Gamer Nexus is. I start playing the video and it seems a fair and balanced intro. Am I expected to watch the entire 27 minutes to find the bit where they're talking about deliberately undercooked graphics? Not going to happen.
Either timecode the video to the relevant bit or mention it in your post.
And this is actually an important point. People are coming at this discussion with different amounts and qualities of evidence. Those of us following RTX from a distance can only from opinions from the data linked because we're not playing the game on RTX. What might be obvious to DavidGraham playing Metro won't be obvious to those of us not, who have to look at screenshots and video clips which depends on what people link to.
At the end of the day, I don't think it'll get any better than this. Actual devs will be discussing the pros and cons of RTX without constantly challenging every expressed opinion as being pro/anti nVidia. I think the only place ordinary, non-technical people manage to structure unprejudiced discussion is in a law court, where strong rules are applied to keep it on the facts. Even supposedly rational people like scientists will get highly polarised around certain topics.
