IE 7 under Vista vs Firefox

[K.I.L.E.R]

I've been using Firefox for the last several years (since it originally came out under its original name) and I'm at the moment(just decided to use it 5 mins ago) using IE 7.

Personally the look and feel of IE7 seems to appeal to me. What about security?
Is there a reason to use FF over IE under Vista?

 

[Arwin]

IE under Vista is (at least in theory) more secure in Vista because it runs completely virtualised in Vista. I don't know that FF does that yet.

I personally prefer Opera in all circumstances, because it has all the right features out of the box and has had them for a long time, and it's still the fastest by far. I only use something else when I can't get a website to work nice with Opera.

I also hate the way menus are done in IE7. Feels like a big design no-no, completely inconsistent with just about everything else imho (except maybe Live Messenger).

 

[DJ12]

IE7 has some nice features (copied from Firefox) but has some pretty basic elements missing like being able to open favourites from the link bar in a new tab.

It was so close to being usable enough not to bother with firefox.

I'm currently using firefox 3 beta 5, it's the best browser I've used so far.

 

[Bludd]

I really hate the way IE 7 starts up. It loads the UI and then loads the tabs which is silly.

I had some performance problems with the last version of Firefox, but the update that came yesterday fixed me right up. The JavaScript fix made it fast again.

 

[Malo]

IE7 has some nice features (copied from Firefox) but has some pretty basic elements missing like being able to open favourites from the link bar in a new tab.

edit: oops, wrong browser. IE7 can open directly into a new tab from the link bar, hold ctrl and click the link.

 

[AlNom]

edit: oops, wrong browser. IE7 can open directly into a new tab from the link bar, hold ctrl and click the link.

middle click is faster

 

[Sazar]

middle click is faster

Which IE7 also supports

IE7, default, is a much faster/better browser than FF.

With multiple extensions, FF will come close to the same speed and exceed functionality, but so far, it continues to eat memory

 

[Davros]

im haveing a prob with opera
when opening a web page it will pause for a while on the last image
eg:

 

[Arwin]

Which version are you using? (It's not always an Opera problem because of what some pages do with statistics linked to images and such, but it can be)

I'm getting it with Beyond3d now (4 seconds delay on the last image when I go to the end of the page).

 

[nutball]

Hi, which browser am best, kthx

You started a browser war thread. Presumably because the Internets don't have enough already?

Have you heard of Walter Wagner? The chap suing CERN on the grounds that turning on the LHC might cause the spontaneous creation of a black-hole that'll swallow the Earth? He's an idiot. What he seems to overlook is that its much more likely that the Earth will be swallowed by a black-hole formed by the self-gravitational collapse of all the browser-war threads on Internet forums.

 

[Bludd]

Which IE7 also supports

Which Opera also supports.

IE7, default, is a much faster/better browser than FF.

With multiple extensions, FF will come close to the same speed and exceed functionality, but so far, it continues to eat memory

The memory thing is slightly annoying but not a deal-breaker at the moment.

IE7 doesn't feel faster than FF due to the way it starts up and opens tabs. It is a psychological thing which makes me want to not have the IE7 main window show up before it is ready to show tabs.

Also, it is easier to migrate a complete FF installation to a new system, keeping your passwords, cookies, extensions, cache, whatever.

For me, IE7 is not good enough to make me stop using FF.

 

[Arwin]

Just name something about IE7 that Opera isn't better at? It's better at everything I use it for anyway, excluding the occasional page that's being a bitch and doesn't support the standards properly. From remembering the tabs, the speed of showing pages, speed of opening tabs, little nuggets like paste & go (brilliant), zooming, etc. Some of these things are only now starting to appear in IE7 (and don't work properly yet).

I think it's quite amazing, because I don't think Opera has that big a team of programmers behind it either.

 

[Davros]

Arwin :

Version - 9.27
Build - 8841

ps: the speed dial page in opera rocks - i love that thing
does anyone know how to make it your homepage ?

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

You started a browser war thread. Presumably because the Internets don't have enough already?

Have you heard of Walter Wagner? The chap suing CERN on the grounds that turning on the LHC might cause the spontaneous creation of a black-hole that'll swallow the Earth? He's an idiot. What he seems to overlook is that its much more likely that the Earth will be swallowed by a black-hole formed by the self-gravitational collapse of all the browser-war threads on Internet forums.

Browser war? All I asked is if security is an issue under Vista with IE7 because that's what I'd like to use as well as features of FF and IE. Yes, I did a search as well and cannot find what I want and so I asked here. You didn't have to respond to this thread or even read it. Why bother if you aren't going to help me?

 

[I.S.T.]

You started a browser war thread. Presumably because the Internets don't have enough already?

Have you heard of Walter Wagner? The chap suing CERN on the grounds that turning on the LHC might cause the spontaneous creation of a black-hole that'll swallow the Earth? He's an idiot. What he seems to overlook is that its much more likely that the Earth will be swallowed by a black-hole formed by the self-gravitational collapse of all the browser-war threads on Internet forums.

LHC?

 

[Arwin]

By the way, I was just looking at this page I made 10 years ago (!) and which is using good old-fashioned frames. Today when I looked at it with IE7, it's not handled properly anymore. If you click on a link in the top bar, it should change the biggest frame, not show the page in the same frame. It still works properly in Opera (and probably in other browsers).

Is this a bug in IE7 or just a new security setting that for some reason is turned on by default? Does anyone know?

http://members.chello.nl/~a.vanarum8/EliotProject/

 

[Simon F]

LHC?

The Large Hadron Collider

 

[I.S.T.]

The Large Hadron Collider

Awesome. Thanks.

 

[Davros]

By the way, I was just looking at this page I made 10 years ago (!) and which is using good old-fashioned frames. Today when I looked at it with IE7, it's not handled properly anymore. If you click on a link in the top bar, it should change the biggest frame, not show the page in the same frame. It still works properly in Opera (and probably in other browsers).

Is this a bug in IE7 or just a new security setting that for some reason is turned on by default? Does anyone know?

http://members.chello.nl/~a.vanarum8/EliotProject/

Heres whats wrong with your page :

Line 1, Column 0: no document type declaration; implying "<!DOCTYPE HTML SYSTEM>".
<html>

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The checked page did not contain a document type ("DOCTYPE") declaration. The Validator has tried to validate with a fallback DTD, but this is quite likely to be incorrect and will generate a large number of incorrect error messages. It is highly recommended that you insert the proper DOCTYPE declaration in your document -

Line 19, Column 26: "NOSAVE" is not a member of a group specified for any attribute.
height="18" nosave></a><font size="6"><strong>T.S. Eliot </strong></font
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Line 19, Column 26: required attribute "ALT" not specified.
height="18" nosave></a><font size="6"><strong>T.S. Eliot </strong></font
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The attribute given above is required for an element that you've used, but you have omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types the "type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt" attribute is required for the "img" element.
Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and type="text/javascript" for <script>.


Line 22, Column 43: value of attribute "ALIGN" cannot be "TEXTTOP"; must be one of "TOP", "MIDDLE", "BOTTOM", "LEFT", "RIGHT".
src="images/pic.gif" align="texttop" border="0"
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The value of the attribute is defined to be one of a list of possible values but in the document it contained something that is not allowed for that type of attribute. For instance, the “selected” attribute must be either minimized as “selected” or spelled out in full as “selected="selected"”; a value like “selected="true"” is not allowed.


Line 23, Column 30: required attribute "ALT" not specified.
width="18" height="17"> Eliot in 1910</a></p>
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The attribute given above is required for an element that you've used, but you have omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types the "type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt" attribute is required for the "img" element.
Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and type="text/javascript" for <script>.


Line 40, Column 54: value of attribute "ALIGN" cannot be "TEXTTOP"; must be one of "TOP", "MIDDLE", "BOTTOM", "LEFT", "RIGHT".
<p><img src="images/arrowr.gif" align="texttop"
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The value of the attribute is defined to be one of a list of possible values but in the document it contained something that is not allowed for that type of attribute. For instance, the “selected” attribute must be either minimized as “selected” or spelled out in full as “selected="selected"”; a value like “selected="true"” is not allowed.


Line 41, Column 30: required attribute "ALT" not specified.
width="49" height="18"> <a
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The attribute given above is required for an element that you've used, but you have omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types the "type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt" attribute is required for the "img" element.
Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and type="text/javascript" for <script>.


Line 44, Column 51: value of attribute "ALIGN" cannot be "TEXTTOP"; must be one of "TOP", "MIDDLE", "BOTTOM", "LEFT", "RIGHT".
<img src="images/arrowr.gif" align="texttop" width="49"
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The value of the attribute is defined to be one of a list of possible values but in the document it contained something that is not allowed for that type of attribute. For instance, the “selected” attribute must be either minimized as “selected” or spelled out in full as “selected="selected"”; a value like “selected="true"” is not allowed.


Line 45, Column 19: required attribute "ALT" not specified.
height="18"> <a href="Waste_notes/Waste_A.htm">The Waste
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The attribute given above is required for an element that you've used, but you have omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types the "type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt" attribute is required for the "img" element.
Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and type="text/javascript" for <script>.

 

[Arwin]

Davros, you're missing two important points here. First of all, this website is 10 years old, has barely changed from 1998 till 2002, and not changed at all since then. It has always worked with every version of Netscape and Internet Explorer since then. When I started making this page, IE3 was just released and for the first time starting to threaten Netscape ... (and I liked IE3 better back then). Now, for some reason, IE7 is mishandling this webpage's frames. None of the problems you've listed are relevant to this problem, except very possibly the first thing, but IE7 is still breaking a long, long standing compatibility.

I'm now typing in the PS3 web browser, and even on this browser the webpage works flawlessly. There's something about IE7 that's odd and that's what I'm wondering about.