IBM's new Xbox2 role?

What do you believe IBM's new Xbox2 role will be?

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At first I was thinking xbox2 in fall 2004 would be a mistake, but the more I think about it the more I think it likely. Microsoft wants to beat ps3 by enough of a margin to chip into their marketshare, they don't want to come out in fall 2005 with people saying 'well ps3 will be out in a few months'.

I guess we have some time to speculate until the official announcements.
 
It's really ballsy to launch in 2004. I'm not sure it's a great idea, but it's possible if they heard that Sony was locked into a US 2006 release for PS3 that they will launch Xbox 2 in 2004 then Xbox 3 in 2007, but announce it in 2006. Change to a 3 year cycle, but launch at $200. With graphics not being the big issue anymore (with most people being fine with PS2 graphics when compared to Xbox) it might be better to be in the market for two years before PS3. Marketing can do wonders after all.

The other thing is that they might "say" 2004, but really launch 2005 which still might be ahead of Sony. As long as Xbox games continue to come out, no one should mind that they only have an Xbox. Then they'll sell it for cost until there is no demand and make 1st party games for it just to make money and keep Xbox users happy.

On the CPU choice: No PC port has ever really helped the Xbox. As long as the dev software is still DirectX and easy to use, then PC developers would still be inclined to put their best stuff on the box. It might limit a lot of PC ports to only those of extreme quality.

As for software:

MS has:

4 Rare teams
Bungie
FASA
Amped team
Top Spin team

and investments in:

Bioware
Microforte
Digital Anvil
Bizzare Creations
Lionhead
Oddworld Inhabitants

partners in:

Tecmo
From Software
Artoon

They should be able to do fairly well in the western markets with those developers and the right marketing.
 
Vince,

Cybermerc always talks like that. Everythign MS does is evil and they are out to copy nintendo. Well, if they copied nintendo right now, MS would be in a worse postition in thier two main countries.

Anyway, fall 2004 is possible, but for JAPAN and not anywhere else. Japan would be the perfect place to launch the product as xbox has not got been increasing in popularity in that region.

However this could just be speculation (the 2004 launch date) on hte part of the news writters.
 
Anyway, fall 2004 is possible, but for JAPAN and not anywhere else. Japan would be the perfect place to launch the product as xbox has not got been increasing in popularity in that region.

Why Japan, it's not like it would sell great there anyway. The people of Japan love Sony and Playstation, this mindset will not change with next generation. I see Xbox2 coming last to Japan.

America is the core market. Microsoft should worry about this first.
 
Why launch in america and potentially ruin xbox sales when you don't need to? Launching in japan is just what the other consoles have always done, and if done correcty it's completly possible to gain some market share in that market.
 
This is a very good confirmation to the rumour posted earlier. I can't wait for 2004. If fall 2004 is true, it will be PSP Vs XBOX2 Vs Nintendo mystery announcement.

Anyway, fall 2004 is possible, but for JAPAN and not anywhere else. Japan would be the perfect place to launch the product as xbox has not got been increasing in popularity in that region.

NO. Japan would be the perfect place to start a bad PR. Whatever MS do, don't launched in Japan first. Europe would be a better place. Though IMO America would be the best choice.
 
NO. Japan would be the perfect place to start a bad PR. Whatever MS do, don't launched in Japan first. Europe would be a better place. Though IMO America would be the best choice.

I disagree... The fact they didn't launch in japan first was part of the reason it didn't do well in that region. They need traction from japanese developers to even have a launch that can compete with PS3. It's the only area they lacked at launch.
 
Why launch in america and potentially ruin xbox sales when you don't need to?

Well, its better for MS to ruin Xbox sales than their competitors. Beside if you have the money, the best way to keep interest level high on your brand, is not to wait till your sales wane.

Xbox2 competition will be PS3 and N5 and some others. Why worry about Xbox sales.


Launching in japan is just what the other consoles have always done, and if done correcty it's completly possible to gain some market share in that market.

I disagree... The fact they didn't launch in japan first was part of the reason it didn't do well in that region. They need traction from japanese developers to even have a launch that can compete with PS3. It's the only area they lacked at launch.

Well, PS2 didn't launched with any great games in Japan, in a matter of fact for several months since launched it was pretty bad. So PS2 early success in Japan wasn't games. It was branding and maybe as a cheap DVD player.

For MS, what brand ? The original Xbox was reported with disc scratching problem, it doesn't matter if that was true or not, sales of Xbox were halted. Its main association with DOA (and the likes), doesn't help it garner main stream either.

Though if they put out blue-ray player for $400, I am sure it will be popular. Some games will help too.
 
My guess, IBM would used, what it has gained from STI deal, and use it to make money from MS. So it will probably some sort of Cell customised for XBOX2. Maybe they'll paired PowerPC with ATI GPU, and put a couple in one chip, maybe more.

Or they'll make a cheap 43 mm2 PowerPC customised for Xbox2.
 
Well, its better for MS to ruin Xbox sales than their competitors. Beside if you have the money, the best way to keep interest level high on your brand, is not to wait till your sales wane.

No, it's not good to ruin your salkes no matter what. Besides how would thier competitors do that when they aren't releasing a copeting console in that time frame? PS3 certianly won't be ready for fall 2004 (if that's even true).

Xbox2 competition will be PS3 and N5 and some others. Why worry about Xbox sales.

WEll you'r eright, xbox competiton is for PS3 and N5 both of which won't launch in 2004. So how does it make sense?

Why worry about it? look at it this way, the more people you get buying xbox, the better chance you have of them picking up an xbox 2. Why do you think MS isn't worried about loosing money this time around and they wanted to get thier foot in the door?

Well, PS2 didn't launched with any great games in Japan, in a matter of fact for several months since launched it was pretty bad. So PS2 early success in Japan wasn't games. It was branding and maybe as a cheap DVD player.

That's not the point I'm making. games are important for launch, but just getting the support is also very important. It's all about mindshare and showing good faith to the developers there.

Though if they put out blue-ray player for $400, I am sure it will be popular. Some games will help too.

um... I'd forget about blue ray.
 
don't know if this was already posted or not:

from arstechnica

Microsoft has selected IBM over Intel for the microprocessor technology that will power the next generation of the Xbox game console. IBM earned this business because of its advanced chip technologies and deep development capabilities - required to create the chips that will provide the performance the future Xbox will need - which no one else in the industry can provide. The new Xbox systems will use chips based on IBM's family of state-of-the art processors.


if anything it's an interesting development no?
 
Well if xbox titles run on xbox2, how would the release of xbox2 hurt their sales? They lose money on every console unit they sell, they make money on games sales.

It would be a mistake to release xbox2 as a competetor, but not as a replacement.
 
WEll you'r eright, xbox competiton is for PS3 and N5 both of which won't launch in 2004. So how does it make sense?

PS2 launched in 2000, Xbox in 2001, look at sales figure, does it make sense ?

First to market strategy, if done well is the best, and unlike Sega, I am sure MS can pull it off.

That's not the point I'm making. games are important for launch, but just getting the support is also very important. It's all about mindshare and showing good faith to the developers there.

Launching in N.A first will get developers support too. Big install base in NA and Europe, Japanese developers won't ignore.
 
The idea is to launch into the market when PS2 owners are looking to upgrade, not Xbox owners since PS2 owners represent the majority of the market. This would be either 2004 or 2005. If Sony is going in 2005 in the US then MS should launch in 2005. If Sony is planning on 2006 then MS should go in 2004 and announce Xbox 3 for 2007. This would change the generational cycle to 3 years, but possibly with launch prices around $200 instead of $300. That way you're playing $67 per year for launch hardware instead of $60, but you're getting upgraded new technology quicker.

Like I said: Very risky, but it would be bad for Sony to be 2 years behind MS only to have new Xbox hardware launch right afterwards. Sony isn't this stupid and they will pretty much have to launch in 2005 if MS is actually truly ready for 2004. It's getting interesting.
 
IBM will provide its PowerPC microprocessor technology and is expected to combine several other chips into one or two core chips for the next Xbox. This would most likely include graphics chip technology from ATI Technologies of Canada, which in August won the contract from Nvidia, of the US.

I feel all gooshy! When the MS/ATi-IP deal was announced, I thought it would be good for them to grab IBM to fab the chip over TSMC, as they could lean on IBM's innovations over, say, TSMC's, and figure that if they had IBM designing the processor as well they could benefit all over the board by letting their engineers get the innards all working towards more efficiency. They could do the same with Intel, only I figured they might not enjoy the low price/performance ratio Intel chips tend to give off, and I figured IBM would be more capable working the with higher-end GPU tech. (But hey, Intel seems to be working with ATi with the Longhorn age in mind as well. Hehe...)

On the prospect of a Fall 2004 launch, though, I don't discount anything, but I think that would be COMPLETE insanity! First off, it doesn't give nearly enough time to the IBM engineers as they'd want to coordinate the system, and a three-year full console generation in particular just seems loony. I also can't IMAGINE how they'd get a 2004 system using completely opposite architecture (ATi over nVidia, IBM over Intel) to play current Xbox games, which means either the DITCH backwards-compatability (which is painful enough but would be compounded by a very short initial lifespan) or stick their current hardware in as well. (Turning it into an even more hideous money sink, or forcing the consumers to blow extra money to basically buy an Xbox.) And if CELL lives up to even 1/4 of what people theorize, it would easily trump a rush-job of THIS year's hardware. R500 in ANY form is showing up in Q4 2004 as an OPTIMUM situation, and likely in extreme high end first with mainstream cards to follow a few months after, but the Xbox wants to launch at the same time...? o_O To support a volume launch, MS would have to be making the units NOW, not signing contracts.

MS may WANT to beat Sony to market, but I can't even remotely see them doing that with the Xbox2 unless they produce a real shithole, or the PS3 gets very delayed. (Maybe both. ;) ) On the whole, I imagine MS wants to go into this very much prepared, and unless they, IBM, and ATi have make totally mature designs ALREADY, that just isn't going to happen until they give them time. Plenty of time. Heck, unless MS has been spending a lot of time and effort to program new libraries and support DirectX on the PowerPC already, they need a ton of time themselves. The Xbox is a nice machine, but I'm sure there are still many things they wish they could have spent more time on that got sacrificed in the rush-job.

Basically, either these companies have pulled off the product-secrecy coup of ALL TIME (at which point I will bow down in worship and even Steve Jobs will be forced to give a standing ovation), or we are talking about the same timetables as always. Myself, I assume they're planning on a first-half 2006 launch and are assuming Sony won't be able to meet their proposed timetables so they'll launch head-to-head. Still might rush some things, but it would be a much more mature and coordinated design, they would be able to afford putting better components in, and developers would actually have time to DEVELOP games! Hehe...

Two additional personal points of pondering, though... Who else thinks MS wanted to work with IBM also to lean on their networking skills and abilities to combine with Microsoft's own to push the online specturm? And thinking about it... Are we getting DirectX on the PowerPC...? What might this imply for the future of Mac gaming? :oops: :oops:
 
It's really ballsy to launch in 2004. I'm not sure it's a great idea, but it's possible if they heard that Sony was locked into a US 2006 release for PS3 that they will launch Xbox 2 in 2004 then Xbox 3 in 2007, but announce it in 2006. Change to a 3 year cycle, but launch at $200. With graphics not being the big issue anymore (with most people being fine with PS2 graphics when compared to Xbox) it might be better to be in the market for two years before PS3. Marketing can do wonders after all

I like this idea. Quite a possibility. Windows live on a 3 year cycle IIRC. It is a very good way to break Sony's advantage in fabbing their own chips. Talk about accelarating the industry might just be true!!! :oops:

Graphics could still be cool. 2004 Xbox 3D will crush PS2 easily and come 2007 Xbox, its 3D could still be better than PS3, I mean it should be using the latest technoloy +/-1 year but a 2006 PS3 technology is based on a good few years back of research..

Keep it cheap, keep it good. IT might be interesting...risky it also is..
 
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