You can connect it I'm sure, but getting it to work might be another thing. I've seen ps3 hacked to run xbox controllers, but not the drive yet.
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You can connect it I'm sure, but getting it to work might be another thing. I've seen ps3 hacked to run xbox controllers, but not the drive yet.
It's on par with the Toshiba A2 (and its derivates), and 1080i is enough for 98.73% of all HD-TV uses and users. For progressive film content it doesn't matter at all whether or not the transport is interlaced or not (unless your TV has a braindead deinterlacer) as the deciding factor is the general picture processing and/or framerate conversion capabilities (the latter for interlaced content) of the player. For movie viewing purposes, only those with screens capable of displaying images at any rate it is fed to it from the source (decoupled from the PAL/NTSC legacies) should care about progressive output.
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Well crap. Guess Ill sit back and wait for this format war to settle down some. Got me a PS3 for blu-ray, but Paramount screwed me on getting Blades of Glory for it, as well as others. I dont really want to get both. So annoying this whole deal, they're not doing us consumers right.
Nice, actual facts on this player, i had the impression nothing but the price was known. You have a link to those specs and reviews you base your post on?
I gather this player will be at the same quality as 24p players or is 24p in general a problem for HD-DVD giving the 60i timing on HD-DVD´s ?
Eh? What do you want really? Outputting a digital interlaced signal from a progressive source isn't exactly rocket science. Either you manage it, or you're a moron.
If you want to discuss the merits of the player's decoding, signal processing, component quality or whatever, I (of course) have no Idea about those. Its 1080i transport however, which you explicitly mentioned, should be no worse than any other player's 1080i which for progressive film content on a 1080p/60 TV should be no worse than any other player's 1080p. Specs have nothing to do with this.
The actual video data on the disc is 24p for film based content. The 30 frame timing is actually accomplished by flags in the stream telling the player to repeat certain frames. To accomplish 24p output the player would simply ignore those flags.
There isn't a 60i timing on HD-DVD in that sense. Flags in the bitstream will tell the TVs deinterlacer how to decode the stream for whatever refresh rate it is to display at. If the display is 60p it will show the correctly reassembled progressive frames in a 3:2 pattern without any mixed fields. 1080p alone doesn't reduce the resulting judder (the perception of stuttering movement from the uneven framerate).
To be clear, I wasn't addressing the quality of the player at all, just the fact that you seemed to propagate the common misconception that a player outputting 'only' 1080i is in any way inferior for watching movies -- even on most 1080p TVs. Virtually the only time the transport will matter is if you either have a TV that can accept progressive 24fps input (but not interlaced 24fps) for 2:2 or 3:3 display @ 48 or 72Hz (thus my - admittedly entirely imagined - 98.73%, since very few TVs can). Another possible case for it to matter is with interlaced content that have messed up flags in the stream, the wrong field order or whatever; here you may want your high end video processing chip in your high end player to handle the stream internally as your TV's deinterlacer might not be up to it (and even then the player might theoretically be able to process the signal @ 1080p but only output the processed stream as 1080i). Finally, the last situation I can think of where a 1080p transport matters is where you have progressive content recoded and stored @ more than 30fps (which is pretty uncommon, perhaps speciality sports footage or other rare uses).
Ok the 1080i vs 1080p question has been extensively covered on AVS forum so i´m fully aware of the few problems. And i must admit that after seeing the difference between 24p and 60hz on my own setup i find it hard to believe i lived with the judder(?) for so long
Anyway, i thought you had concrete facts since you wrote:
My mistake, we will know soon enough.
He wrote that about the MS hd-dvd drive, not the venturer.
I replied to Daves post about the Venturer, Zaphod picked up on that with his "on par post".
Don´t see any mentioning of the 360 addon?
Dave did mention the hd-dvd drive in his post, perhaps I'm mistaken about what Zaphod was saying, but somehow when I first read the thread I got the impression that comment was directed toward MS's addon; could just be because thats the subject of the thread.
I didn't know which drive people were talking about either, but I assumed it was the XB360 addon drive as this is the console forum in an HD DVD addon thread If these were queries about the HD-A2, it should be taken to the AV forum.
If these were queries about the HD-A2, it should be taken to the AV forum.I didn't know which drive people were talking about either, but I assumed it was the XB360 addon drive as this is the console forum in an HD DVD addon thread
It was a tangent and it was about the Venturer, feel free to delete it all.
Dave has a good point though, a complete HD-DVD player for 179$. I wonder who much of the PS3 price is down to the BluRay drive now
Ah, see then you were (kinda') propagating FUD since you wrote:Ok the 1080i vs 1080p question has been extensively covered on AVS forum so i´m fully aware of the few problems. And i must admit that after seeing the difference between 24p and 60hz on my own setup i find it hard to believe i lived with the judder(?) for so long
Which isn't the same as saying "It's not for me since I'm sensitive to judder and my TV supports 24P". Besides being too general, it sounds like you're saying that this 1080i is inferior to other 1080i. No biggie, though. :smile:
I was referencing the Ventruer. It's 1080i should be no worse than any other players 1080i. Of course, 1080p/24 is better, but too many people make sweeping unqualified statements making it sound like 1080p in general is the end-all of picture quality. For most people, by the time they have a 24p capable TV, HDM players will be either available for $50 or long dead.
And yeah, a mod should feel free to trash this tangent of the thread.
I touched upon this on the last page. My interpretation is that the cost difference between a bare HD-DVD drive and a bare Bly-ray drive is still significant. Some of the HD-DVD insiders keeps on throwing small specifics-laden jabs about cost that never seem to be refuted other than to say eventually it won't matter. No specific estimates to back this up though.
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For the Aussies out there, there's a discount at dStore going at https://dstore.com.au/promo/paypalfathersday07. Pay by Paypal, get $15 off any order over $75, effectively making the HD-DVD drive $207. Don't know if it still comes with King Kong.
I'm sitting on the fence on this one... the recent studio flip-flop has me more interested in this, since I can just plug it into my PC at the end of the day if the format war survives longer than this console's lifecycle. Plus... 300 and The Fountain... two movies I have delayed buying until the format war settles.
Decisions decisions.
I'm sitting on the fence on this one... the recent studio flip-flop has me more interested in this, since I can just plug it into my PC at the end of the day if the format war survives longer than this console's lifecycle. Plus... 300 and The Fountain... two movies I have delayed buying until the format war settles.
Decisions decisions.