Halflife 2 to be nVidia only????

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  1. Nebuchadnezzar

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    The magazine is coming out on May 16th, so you will have to wait another month from then until anything happens. :)
     
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    Oh, like I've told you a half a dozen times? :shock: :lol:

    Ben, that's why I criticized your interpretation of the figures (well, the first reason atleast).

    That's because that's what the figures portray. The figures you brought up. You are factoring in chips that are unrelated to the gaming market, and I'm discussing them with you in return.
    Your formulas based on the figures do the same thing, Ben. :shock:

    So? Does this change the analysis I provided of why just viewing them in isolation ATi has gained market share?

    :lol: Then it's a bit funny that you proposed these figures. :!:

    Oh my, there doesn't seem to be anything addressing the actual conclusions I drew, just blaming me for drawing them on figures you brought up and criticizing the very thing I've been criticizing about them for the last few pages! Strange that.

    Hey, almost like if I criticized that these figures arbitrarily equated DX 7, DX 8, and DX 9! Oh wait....I did!
    :shock: It is the discussion you started, Ben. I'm not changing anything around, you introduced the flaws you mention, and I was just pointing out the additional flaws you introduced on top of it.
    Wow.

    Here:
    Does this look familiar? These numbers we are discussing now...are the numbers that you brought up after this! Though you didn't quite label them as Q4 2002. :-?

    What did I say about these numbers? Let's see:

    :shock:

    :shock: The numbers you just criticized as being non-representative, and which I just discussed do not show that "the gap is growing"?!?
    Oh, wait, it is non-representative when I discuss them, only you are allowed to discuss them, and my discussion of them is therefore irrelevant.
    My bad: I didn't learn the first time you told me that. :-?

    Double wow!

    BTW, feel free to apply the question to yourself. :shock:

    Ah, and this makes the statement I was criticizng more valid how? :idea: Oh, by proxy! :roll: :lol:

    Yes...because, among other things, ATI saw an 18% sales increase. Is this something not covered in my prior posts to you? Oh, silly my, I'm acting as if you read them! :shock:
     
  3. BenSkywalker

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    You wanted a defined target platform for HL2 then you should have defined one. I made no claims about any particular DX level boards nor shipments. Without declaring what level of DX you assume HL2 to require then that element has not been factored in. Having the XBox as a target platform doesn't mean too much as we can see with SplinterCell running on DX7 hardware. My interpetation of the figures is simply one of comparing ATi to nVidia, the exact premise I explicitly stated I was working under previously. You don't like it, you counter it with some real market data. None of the 'this online database says xxx', real numbers. Until you do so, then I see no need to continue this discussion.

    I deserve that, I was moronic enough to be fooled by ATi's PR so obviously it can happen.

    :shock: I thought it was an act, apparently not. Take any marketplace figure, any way you like it with multiple parties(three or more) involved. Assign them all a given marketshare. Increase the total sales for the market a given percentage and do the same adjustment for one of the board vendors in particular and move the others around as you like. Try it a few times and see how frequently the marketshare changes for the company whose sales increase mirrored the industry as a whole, make special note of when they decline.
     
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    Didn't read the text I quoted from pages ago the first time, why should it be any different this time? :-?

    :shock:
    It does mean something if you are proposing nVidia exclusive PC support makes sense because something is being developed for the X Box. Now, who was doing that Ben? Can you remember?

    A hint: what you just mentioned about Splinter Cell supports my argument.

    Hmm? I didn't ignore that premise, I showed you how your math was wrong. Hey, are there enough posts between that and this now for your comfort level?

    We were discussing the same market data...it's just as real for you as it is for me.
    You just criticized your own numbers as being applicable in the same way I did pages ago, and now I have to counter them? But we've both countered them already! :lol:

    Yeah, you're the picture of a raving ATi <B3D expletive>. Like how a GF 4 MX user would be downgrading image quality for half life by switching to a 9700 Pro. :roll:
    Oh wait, maybe that's why the question was about nVidia, and not ATI!

    Not big on reading what others say, are you? Heaven forbid we use actual formulas and math to discuss it. :shock: :roll:
     
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    Yes, round 9 is shaping up quite good.

    *opens another can of beer and sits back*
     
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    I had a reply typed up an deleted it. This isn't worth it any more. If the deal happens it happens. It has been very clearly demonstrated how it could work out well for all parties involved and that was the point of the discussion.
     
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    Your approach to replying to disagreement is never worth it unless everyone else shuts up. That is why I recommend you stick to local editing for more productive use of it. :-?
    True, though what the deal is remains to be seen.
    That is the problem: no it was not. You said it could work out well for all parties involved, you did not demonstrate it.
    That doesn't mean Valve won't do it, it means the argument for them doing it that you provided was self-conflicting, based on excluding inconveninet factors, and focused on supporting your belief system.
    Neither of us has any exclusive monopoly on actuality, all we have is available information and reasoning, if we choose to employ them.
    Your method of argument is based on excluding the reasoning and information in opposition to what you want to believe, without any justification besides your own desire to exclude them and without any recognition of any criticism of your own belief.
    Yes, making your statement does seem like it was the only point of the discussion for you. The problem is that you believe your stating something is the same thing as it being demonstrated to be valid, and think that support is based solely on dismissing anything besides your own statements.

    EDIT: How do you like that?
     
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    Get back to me now that it is more suited for your reply, and I'll get back to you when I return.
     
  12. demalion

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    And you did not demonstrate how it could work out well for all parties involved "very clearly", thanks to that self-conflicting argument based on excluding inconvenient factors and focused on supporting your belief system to which I referred. Maybe if "very clearly" is synonymous with "in a completely flawed fashion"?...oh wait, it isn't.

    It comes down in the end to your saying "You said it could work out well for all parties involved, you did not demonstrate it" can't be a valid reply to "It has been very clearly demonstrated how it could for all parties involved"...because it doesn't have the word how.

    Let's try this then: "You said it could work out well for all parties involved, you did not demonstrate how it could."

    So, to make it easy for you, how does that change in wording invalidate the rest of the post? How does it change the rest of the discussion before that? It doesn't change the meaning of the sentence, it just removes the factor you've been reduced to nitpicking about. With it removed, where does that leave us?
     
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    http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/23/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/

    I guess that puts this one to bed for the time being.
     
  14. jb

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    So Can I start another thread about how HL2 is ATI only then :) :) :) ;) :D

    Thanks for the info Dave.
     
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    It also puts to rest the nasty rumor of it being an exclusive X-box title that Evil over at evilavatar.com was spreading.
     
  16. Dave Baumann

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    Unless its XBoxII only :!: :!: :p :wink:
     
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    oh! Nice! :wink:
     
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