GF sues TSMC tries to ban imports, Resolved with 10 Year Cross-License agreement.

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  1. Sxotty

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    Wow crazy eh? They did not include their old partner AMD in the suit though, mais oui. Anyway, it will be interesting to see where it goes.

    https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1335070#


     
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    Does AMD have a cross patent-license agreement with GF?
     
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    I don't know, but if the lawsuit is as simple as implied, I hope they lose quickly and have to pay damages to TSMC.


     
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    Click Bait Title

    Title suggests that only Nvidia is being sued or getting banned.

    MODS please change title to reflect the actual suit.

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/1479...gement-apple-qualcomm-others-named-defendants

    GlobalFoundries has filed a lawsuit against TSMC and its clients in the USA and Germany alleging the world’s largest contract maker of semiconductors of infringing 16 of its patents. Among the defendants, GlobalFoundries named numerous fabless developers of chips, including Apple, NVIDIA, Qualcomm, and many others.

    Here is TSMC's response:

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/1480...t-by-globalfoundries-allegations-are-baseless
     
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    I actually included that in the quote except it includes many more than the short list you included. Nvidia is the graphics card company though and this is theoretically a graphics site so that seemed the most relevant from the list. Is there some reason that upsets you? The EE times piece already has tsmc response. The suit seems bogus to me. It certainly seems GF is choosing to sue strategically to hamper companies who are not their customers and are unlikely to be in near future. That also makes sense I. E. Is logical, though sort of nefarious.
     
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    Apple and Qualcomm have graphics in their processors yet Apple and Qualcomm are not in the title only Nvidia.

    I think Apple and Qualcomm would take offense to be considered as "Others" and second fiddle to Nvidia.

    Also the suit is more about processors than graphics.
     
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    And several of those other companies have many discussion threads here.
     
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    Like I said. Graphics card company. Nvidia wants to be more, but their arm efforts have not gone great. Intel says they will but as of now AMD and Nvidia are the graphics card companies to me. Other groups do graphics of course, but that is why I said card. If it offends you or them, sorry. I personally don't care about apple at all and Qualcomm very little. Thus to me they are irrelevant. I purchased many AMD products, I will not pay the premium for Apple products and Qualcomm is incidental.. Products I buy have Qualcomm stuff inside but I don't care if they do. I specifically purchase AMD and Nvidia products so they are relevant to me and AMD has a relationship to GF. If you remain confused about my choice of companies to mention I do not know that further explanation will help.

    The suit seems to be about tsmc being more competitive than GF. GF seems upset about that. Naming tsmc customers does potentially give GF an edge. Even if the suit is without merit there is a possibility that GF can win, thus there is a risk for customers of tsmc. If
    GF won't sue their customers then it would reduce that risk by sending some orders to GF. Of course that introduces a new risk and definite cost.
     
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    So how did AMD not infringe if they use TSMC too?
     
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    See my question on the first reply in the thread:

     
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    Brit, the original article I read said that other GF customers who were also at Tsmc were not listed in suit. That implies that even if AMD has a license that is not the determining factor. They are also smaller though so it is possible that they only picked the big dogs except AMD because of prior license agreement.. Does anyone know if any of the companies in the suit are also GF customers?
     
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    Don't be like that analyst, just read the patent. Even though patent lawyers like to pretend otherwise, they are not just a context-less string of claims. For the moment by law they have to provide the background and brief description of the patent.

    The one he mentioned is a patent on using one of the semiconductor layers to connect transistors, for instance inside a standard cell, rather than using a metal layer. Doesn't sound like something novel in 2011, but even advanced industries can fall into really poor habits so who knows.
    Yes, so? That means they have less to lose from TSMC's counter-suit and any essential patents they have become more important for licensing revenue than productivity.

    Companies which lose at the marketplace competition have more incentive to sue, but they do not necessarily have invalid patents.
     
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    TSMC files a countersuit against GlobalFoundries claiming patent infringement

    https://www.kitguru.net/channel/generaltech/matthew-wilson/tsmc-files-a-countersuit-against-globalfoundries-claiming-patent-infringement/
     
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    The lawyers will have a field day. Strange part is if this goes to a jury trial it is basically a crap shoot how it comes out.
     
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    There was enough there to work out a long term cross-license agreement. If it was "hot air and no substance" Nvidia would not have agreed to that.
     
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    So basically to the end of the patent expiry?
     
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    This was never about Nvidia. The dispute was between GF and TSMC.

    Nowhere in the above linked article was there any statement or even a quote from Nvidia.


    The companies have agreed means GF and TSMC as the companies not the clients that include Nvidia, AMD, and Apple.
     
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    Clickbait title strikes again influencing the context of the story? :)
     
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    Yes I agree. The original title of this thread "GF sues TSMC tries to ban imports of Nvidia products" was pure Clickbait and biased.

    The title modification to include "and others" lessened it slightly but keeping Nvidia while not stating Apple and Qualcomm directly but as "others" still kept the bias.
     
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