Killer-Kris said:So I take it that Sony has been fairly tight lipped about their plans as far as that goes?
Our buck as consumers! and I said IMO!!! and I'm not even going to speculate this from the companies POV!
My assumption was at $300 release price for all consoles and average $1000 for the PC but adjust accordingly depending on what you think the actual price will be...
jvd said:Haha . I would say the reveloution wil lbe the cheapest console to produce and actualy be the most power full in what it actualy puts on the screen.
So in terms of graphics the best bang for the buck would be that. In terms of games well that goes to nintendo again imho. And since its the cheapest to design and make it woudl be the best bang for the buck for nintendo.
Deepak said:jvd said:Haha . I would say the reveloution wil lbe the cheapest console to produce and actualy be the most power full in what it actualy puts on the screen.
So in terms of graphics the best bang for the buck would be that. In terms of games well that goes to nintendo again imho. And since its the cheapest to design and make it woudl be the best bang for the buck for nintendo.
Com'on jvd, we know you are a N loverboy but you need to install some piece of sensibility in your posts.
Killer-Kris said:Ok, from what I've managed to find so far I'm still not impressed. Theoretical performance really doesn't mean a whole lot. If that were the case we'll all be running Sun Niagra CPU's on our desktops in a year or two, but in reality we'll still be running an Athlon or Pentium of some sort because you can actually get decent performance out of it.
rabidrabbit said:Isn't.....wasn't that.....*whisper*Deatmeat's and chap's signature.
Phew, I'm glad we're living a more civilised times now
PC-Engine said:It was, but Peter Glaskowsky probably knows what he's talking about.
Cell will likely use between four and 16 general-purpose processor cores per chip. A game console might use a chip with 16 cores, while a less complicated device like a set-top box would have a processor with fewer, said Peter Glaskowsky, editor in chief of influential industry newsletter Microprocessor Report. Some of these cores might perform computational functions, while others could control audio or graphics.
But not everyone thinks this approach is groundbreaking, given that some processors already use inter-chip multiprocessing. "I just don't see that Cell is revolutionary, except in its marketing impact," Glaskowsky said
rabidrabbit said:Yep, guess Cell is not revolutionary when viewed from the whole microprocessor industry's broader point of view, i.e not being a completely new design idea as "some processors already use inter-chip multiprocessing".
When viewed under that light, I'd guess none of the next gen consoles could be called revolutionary.
But if you concentrate your view just on console market, then the Cell maybe could be called revolutionary.
Yes, I would think you are mistaken there. Although at least you are more conservative then people thinking it will be Power5 cores...Killer-Kris said:Am I mistaken about it being Xbox2 that has the 3 Power4 derivative CPUs
If nothing else, it should be easy to use that performance on compression algos, maybe finally make memory less of limitation then we normally face.Gubbi said:Two things are certain: 1.) It has loads of execution units so good performance on paper. 2.) It will be a bitch to program (so real world performance << theoretical)
I'd say yes, but I'm not quite up to date on these things.Am I mistaken about it being Xbox2 that has the 3 Power4 derivative CPUs and the ATI GPU all on one chip?
rabidrabbit said:Yep, guess Cell is not revolutionary when viewed from the whole microprocessor industry's broader point of view, i.e not being a completely new design idea as "some processors already use inter-chip multiprocessing".
When viewed under that light, I'd guess none of the next gen consoles could be called revolutionary.
But if you concentrate your view just on console market, then the Cell maybe could be called revolutionary.
Computer architecture and software cells for broadband networks
PiNkY said:The point about brute force approaches (as opposed to brainiac ones) is that you are basically trading resource efficiency for lots of resources. PS3 will probably never approach the real world / theoretical performance ratio of current pc implementations in the "more meaningful" tests but that figure just does not mean a whole lot. Though, I completely agree that the challenges in designing a highly parallel architecture certainly are on the software side. Or, to quote dr. marc tremblay [sun's man in charge for their niagara processor]:
"....I hate to do this, but I have to defend the Itanium design a little bit in the sense that these two chips will be running drastically different applications. So it will be easy for CELL to claim some pretty outrageous numbers, but it will be hard to exploit this while running TPC-C or whatever..."
Brian Neal [Ace's Hardware]: I'm just talking in general, perhaps versus Niagara. Is it better to have 10 MB of cache or is it better to have 10 cores, or does it depend on the application?
Dr. Marc Tremblay: After talking to a lot of people about this for the last couple years, one thing that I find myself having to explain multiple times is that [even] if the size of the cache is reduced because there's just so much real estate on a die, the key thing is memory bandwidth. So, say that per thread the cache size is small, as long as we can get to the memory and sustain high bandwidth, then we're doing useful work. As long as that bandwidth is not always replacing data, and that we haven't increased the miss-rate tremendously, then we do a lot of useful work. So the sizing is definitely less traditional and more skewed to smaller cache per core / per thread than in the past.
Fafalada said:If nothing else, it should be easy to use that performance on compression algos, maybe finally make memory less of limitation then we normally face.Gubbi said:Two things are certain: 1.) It has loads of execution units so good performance on paper. 2.) It will be a bitch to program (so real world performance << theoretical)
Jaws said:or the truly revolutionary part, i.e. the software and the compiler for this hardware...
