For all the Anti-bush people and the economy.

Ah cmon man ... as much as some guys fantasize about that possibility its just not true. Ive never heard of a woman raping a man but plenty stories of guys date raping and other stunts at parties and college campuses...
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I am sure that is so. Infact i wouldn't be surprised to see men under reporting sexual abuse from a woman.
 
Legion said:
Actually i don't find it stupid at all. The mere implication that since you haven't seen them the EU has a more effective welfare system is rather stupid. Yes, infact that was the argument you were making.
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No, it was not. And that was not what you insinuated either. You insinuated that I argued that since I have never seen a homeless guy in Sweden there are none. Which is a stupid insinuation since I stated the exact opposite.
 
Legion said:
I am sure that is so. Infact i wouldn't be surprised to see men under reporting sexual abuse from a woman.
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What? Is there even such a thing as sexual abuse from a women? How the heck can it be abuse when I love it?
 
No, it was not. And that was not what you insinuated either. You insinuated that I argued that since I have never seen a homeless guy in Sweden there are none. Which is a stupid insinuation since I stated the exact opposite.
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:rolleyes: Then there ought not be a reason for the reference you made.
 
Legion said:
Then there ought not be a reason for the reference you made.
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Well, first of all there's no such thing as a EU wellfare system. Every country has their own. Some countries have more homeless people than others. My point, as stated in my posts, was that while I don't particularly much support extensive wellfare systems they do have some benefit, for instance that the amount of homeless people is typically lower. I took Sweden as an example compared to the US. No way did I ever claim what you extrapolated it to mean, that the mere fact that I haven't seen any homeless people would imply that they don't exist or that our wellfare system is more effective.
 
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Legion said:
Then there ought not be a reason for the reference you made.
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Well, first of all there's no such thing as a EU wellfare system. Every country has their own. Some countries have more homeless people than others. My point, as stated in my posts, was that while I don't particularly much support extensive wellfare systems they do have some benefit, for instance that the amount of homeless people is typically lower. I took Sweden as an example compared to the US. No way did I ever claim what you extrapolated it to mean, that the mere fact that I haven't seen any homeless people would imply that they don't exist or that our wellfare system is more effective.
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I walk though a downtown section everyday to get a bus connection through one of the most crime-ridden American cities and see on average roughly 20 homeless people on a 6 block strech of road. :oops: Yet, there is in this same downtown there exist roughly 5 homeless shelters with free space always available. The problem with America and homelessness isn't a "stingy" welfare system but our government's idiotic "War on Drugs" that criminalizes what should be either a personal choice or in extreme cases a medical issue. Quintupling the "welfare" budget wouldn't do a damn thing, and decimating that budget probably wouldn't make the situation much worse at all. It's the fucking stupid drug prohibition. :devilish:
 
Well, in MY own opinion, and legion don't come after me with guns as u usually do, i think that the fact that one does not see any homeless people IS a result of a better welfare system.
However there are exceptions.
Here in the UK the amount of homeless people who actually sleep on the street is quite high. Sadly those people are the first ones to choose to do it. My Ex used to be a manager in a hostel for the Shaftsbury Society (the biggest catholic charity organization in Britain) and really, u'd be surprised how many guys actually refuse the free accommodation and food they are entitled to, in order to go back to the streets...
So it's not always a welfare-system issue
 
Perhaps Texas is a different situation, but here in Minnesota, over 1,000 people are turned away from homeless shelters on any given night, (the state's total capacity was around 8,500, last I knew, although that's getting cut because public funds for shelters are getting cut). Close to half of them are children.
 
london-boy said:
Well, in MY own opinion, and legion don't come after me with guns as u usually do, i think that the fact that one does not see any homeless people IS a result of a better welfare system.
However there are exceptions.
Here in the UK the amount of homeless people who actually sleep on the street is quite high. Sadly those people are the first ones to choose to do it. My Ex used to be a manager in a hostel for the Shaftsbury Society (the biggest catholic charity organization in Britain) and really, u'd be surprised how many guys actually refuse the free accommodation and food they are entitled to, in order to go back to the streets...
So it's not always a welfare-system issue
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I agree. There is also an issue with many of the them being mentally insane....take a trip to chicago...they all flock there.

Population size and population density are two other major factors. You are far more likely to see a homeless person in a country of nearly 300 million people then you are in a country of 30 million.
 
Legion
I agree.
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whoa!!! u feeling alright? ;) J/K...

There is also an issue with many of the them being mentally insane....take a trip to chicago...they all flock there.
Population size and population density are two other major factors. You are far more likely to see a homeless person in a country of nearly 300 million people then you are in a country of 30 million.
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Yes, it can be a factor because in big cities Homeless people have more "incentives" to be on the street and beg for money, since the percentage of people who will actually give them money is much higher. It's a shamble, i'm sure some of those guys earn twice as much as i do, only to maintain their drug/alcohol/ whatever else addiction... (there was actually a big enquiry here in England about this issue, and now it's very easy to see adverts on the street advising not to give any money to them).
As i learned from my ex, many/most of these guys/girls actually chose to be in the street, because if one needs help, he WILL get it VERY easily here in England, therefore if he is in the street it means he doesnt want to be helped. As an outreach worker and hostel manager he used to have weekly "walks" around central london and other troubled areas, to actually go to those guys and offering a roof over their head, especially in the winter when they risk their lives, literally. And they would just refuse it. These people do not want to lead normal lives, and personally i just don't get it. Oh well...
 
In NYC, the vast majority (eg 95%) of longtime homeless people are mental cases, usually multiple personality disorder (whatever its called now). Some genious decided to close down the mental institutions up north in the late 70s, and they all flock in and out of local hospitals now.

The rest of the homeless tend to be transitive in nature, and are readily helpable with homeless centers, drug counseling and job training, but the latter really need proffessional help, and in many cases are really beyond current medical help and need to be institutionalized for their safety.
 
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