Even more likely now Sony/Nvidia?

What do you think?
ATI in Xbox2 have been rumoured the last time and seem´s like reliable info. Nvidia don´t look "that" interested IMO.
Is Nvidia going to "help" out Sony with the PS3??
 
I suspect this NV->PS3 theory very much....there is not even a hint to that direction! and ATI->XB2 also looks suspicious....I doubt if ATI can handle PC/XB2/GC2 at the same time!!!
 
ATI can't handle it unless Nintendo and MS pull off a deal where the machines will use the same GPU architecture with ATI of some sort. ATI can always license. Or Nintendo and MS could put out the same machine, that way both ensuring them 1st party. That would be enticing enough for me.

However, any of what I said above is very unlikely to happen.

Sony going with Nvidia is certain feasible since Sony does need a killer GPU for a killer CPU. I'm sure the GPU that Sony has in the pipeline is nice, but with Nvidia I don't see how PS3 would be able to be toppled. I'm not too concerned for the rumors, but they do have their sources. I wish I had some business ties within Nvidia, but alas I don't.
 
i think anything could happen, given the time and the right amount of money....

ATI doing both GC2 and Xbox2 is stretching it though....

unless they come up with a scalar architecture and have the high end part for one and a lower end part for the other... i dont see the point of having 2 consoles with exactly the same GPU... Nintendo and Microsoft might as well team up but we know that is never going to happen...

Sony could team up with pretty much everyone's willing to make a whole lot of money.... cuz u do know PS3 (and anything attached to it) WILL make so much money it's not even funny...

i'm still trying to imagine how on earth could Sony F**K up the next generation, but everytime i start thinking about it, it's just inevitable, Sony will most likely repeat their success over and over again unless, i dont know, their Fabs get demolished in an earthquake or if a meteorite destroys half of the planet...
 
i'm still trying to imagine how on earth could Sony F**K up the next generation,

Simple, if the consumers decided to screw up Sony, they will be screwed. Its all in the hand of consumers.
 
While Nvidia makes great chips fo PC based architectures, would it be guaranteed that they'd have the flexibility to take a totally different course from their TNT and GeForce based chips.
I don't think a chip based on GeForce XX would be ideal solution for PS3.
Nvidia would have to design a chip from ground up for PS3 and Cell, do they have resources for such a drastic change.

Ok, ATI did it with GC, but wasn't GameCube's graphics chip mainly designed by ArtX?
 
V3 said:
i'm still trying to imagine how on earth could Sony F**K up the next generation,

Simple, if the consumers decided to screw up Sony, they will be screwed. Its all in the hand of consumers.

YEAH well off course that's elementary. but i guess it's easier said than done.

how would u get the immense userbase and brand recognition Sony has to just turn around and tell them to f-off?

add to that the inevitable hype surrounding this "other-worldly monster" PS3 will be publicized as, and there u have it... to be honest they dont really need that much marketing. everyone already knows about ps3, the hype has already started and the thing is like 2 years away....
 
You know... Assuming nVidia is involved at all, they may not even be making any hardware contributions. It could be software/toolkit contributions (e.g. building a Cg backend, and CgFX runtime for the system)...
 
IF Sony teams up with ANYONE, it will only be for their good. u dont usually team up with someone to get into a worse situation than u r before teaming up. IF sony and Nvidia go together, i think PS3 will be at least slightly better than it would be without Nvidia. whether they put their hands in the hardware or whether they take care of software (they will probably do both, if such an agreement is made).

i just wanna see what PS3 will be able to do to innovate a rather stagnant market (IMO). more than 1Tflop of power is something i still have to completely understand in terms of "what u can do with it"....

and after playing ICO, i wonder how good next gen games will be if this game will look like a PS1 game looks today (<---crap).

also i'm rather curious to see what MS and Nintendo will come up with... actually i don't particularly care about Nintendo since they seem to be stuck in the 90's (which by the way is just soooooo last century)
 
archie4oz said:
You know... Assuming nVidia is involved at all, they may not even be making any hardware contributions. It could be software/toolkit contributions (e.g. building a Cg backend, and CgFX runtime for the system)...
I would place my bet on this one. Avoiding fixed functions is Sony's thing, it worked for PS2 and saved it's ass in the long run. This time the competition will force them to provide more service and help to the developers, but not necessary with hardwired features, but more with software backends like archie4oz mentioned. I doubt, we will see nVidia's hardware powering the PS3.
 
The big boys in the PC industry do of course have a lot more architectural knowhow, experience and patents than Sony (in the area of graphics). Even if Sony has an advantage on the implementation side. They might need a cross licensing deal for that reason.
 
One thing I find interesting is that in terms of hardware design, Sony and Nvidia are more similar than not in some ways. There's been comparisons recently that NV3X is influenced by the concepts of cell computing. the NV3X cpus gain their best performance when accessing the hardware directly or going through their software layer. The PS2 (and likely the PS3) are going to behave somewhat similarly. If you are already mucking around in the hardware to exploit cell, you might as well muck around in the gfx hardware too.

This goes very much contrary to what microsoft does. Microsoft wants all games to go through DX, and to have layers of abstraction for easy programming. ATI seems to excel at creating cards that are good at doing this. Both the 8xxx and 9xxx series of cards do very well in DX8/DX9. If Nvidia wants to be in the xbox2, then they are going to have to start catering to DX again, and with the CG initiative, I don't know that I see them going that way really. Honestly, it makes a lot more sense in terms of the *current* hardware designs to have MS and ATI paired up, along with NV and Sony paired up. Should be interesting to see how things turn out.

Nite_Hawk
 
Well i´m sure Sony would do fine with or without Nvidia, but in my opinion i think they can need a little help from Nvida. It´s usually the "little" things in a big design that matter´s.
 
What about 3Dlabs? Their Wildcat boards are undoubtedly among the three best on the consumer market, if not the best, its just that they haven’t got very good support from the game industry.
In many ways their VPUs are very similar to Cell. Heavy emphasis on SIMD and relatively fine-grained paralism.
 
Heavy emphasis on SIMD and relatively fine-grained paralism.

The first part of your statement seems off. If I understand things correctly, 3DLabs is emphasising many scalar units in parallel to get fine grain parallelism.
 
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