EA teams up with ESPN

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EA now has the rights to ESPN.


http://money.cnn.com/2005/01/17/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

ESPN and Electronic Arts today announced a 15-year partnership, giving EA access to ESPN's broadcast, print and online content - as well as its stable of personalities - for all of its sports titles. The integration of the two brands will begin in 2006.

EA has a master plan and they're executing it.

My only hope is that they increase the quality of the games. They have the resources, and hopefully with less competition they can take their time to do things for the better.

But competition is what tends to drive innovation and great games.

The article does say they expect competition, but we will have to wait to see what the future holds.

Speng
 
Ouch, I can't help but cringe with every new move EA makes on the football front.

I'm still smarting over the loss of Sega's ESPN franchise. I'd been a Madden player (not necessarily a fan) for years, but with NFL 2K5, Sega had really put together a great product.

I was really anxious to see what they'd do with 2K6.

Like many others, I was very sad to see the carpet pulled out from under this team, and now, with EA taking control of the ESPN name and assets, it just feels like more salt in the wound.

I'll live, but if EA doesn't really step it up next year, I'll have no problem sticking with my old ESPN NFL 2K5.
 
speng said:
My only hope is that they increase the quality of the games. They have the resources, and hopefully with less competition they can take their time to do things for the better.

I don't see them as having more time to do things for the better. It's not like the sports seasons have gone from a 12 month cycle to an 18 month cycle. They still have the same time-frame to hit each and every year. I actually expect to have worse products come out now that EA owns everything.
 
Wow, a 15-year deal.

Madden is on for 2006... Interesting. I had read that EA was aiming for 2007 (fall 2006 edition) for their new Madden. What if EA plays out the Madden card, and with the new engine and look re-instroduces the series under a new name in 2007 and dumps Madden?

That part is not interesting (the Madden Football game announcing is pretty bad and this could save EA some $). But what if Sega/Take Two picked up Madden in 2007?

So you could have Madden football by Sega in 2007...

...and ESPN football by EA in 2007!

Now that would be funny. Obviously Madden's name is equivalent to Console Football, but my guess is Madden wont be able to jump to another publisher at all (probably some no compete clause or something).

I wonder how this affects any possibly deal where EA is bought by Fox?
 
Acert93 said:
But what if Sega/Take Two picked up Madden in 2007?

So you could have Madden football by Sega in 2007...

...and ESPN football by EA in 2007!

Won't matter even if that happens since EA has an exclusive lock on NFL football. No other company can use the NFL teams or player likenesses for games. The only way Sega could make another football game is by making it for college football or by using completely fictional teams with fictional players. They can't even make an Arena Football game since earlier this week EA signed an exclusive deal with the Arena Football League.

Here's the info: http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/12/13/news_6114977.html
Electronic Arts has signed the biggest sports free agent on the market. In a devastating blow to competitors--and in a deal sure to reshape sports gaming--the software giant signed an exclusive agreement with the National Football League and the NFL Players Inc., a subsidiary of the NFL Players Association.

The deal, one EA admits to having lobbied for over the past few years, is an exclusive five-year licensing deal granting EA the sole rights to the NFL's teams, stadiums, and players. However, the publisher and Players Inc. denied a similar deal was in the works in May 2004, even requesting publications that ran the story run public retractions.

The NFL/EA arrangement encompasses action, simulation, arcade-style, and manager games made for PCs, consoles, and handhelds (both the DS and PSP, included), giving EA a firm hold on the football gaming market. The deal does not include titles for mobile phones or Internet-based games, but does include online features of consoles. With next-generation consoles scheduled for release next holiday season, EA looks to handily dominate the professional football market for the duration of the license.
 
"I think there's plenty of room for competition," said Probst. "At the end of the day its who can build the highest quality products. There's plenty of room for other third party companies - and console first-party companies - to do that. Just because EA Sports and ESPN are partnering I don't think people are going to run for the hills and not compete with us."

LOL, that's the funniest comment in the article. Plenty of room, yeah right?! Why did they go for the NFL and ESPN exclusives if they didn't want to keep their competition from making competitive games? What kind of product can the competition provide that will look and feel like a NFL pro-football game if they can't use the NFL team names, NFL players or the largest NFL broadcaster(ABC/ESPN)? CBS/FOX or Hall-of-Fame football? Yeah, sure, give me a break. There's nothing left for any developer to make a game that can compete with Madden 2006. Midway's game will get lost in the shuffle and I suspect the same thing for anything Take Two plans to release. I think I'm going to be sick. :(

Tommy McClain
 
Think other games can get away by using all the players faces and names, just adding--like--a mole or two to each, and creatively misspelling their first names? ;) Then they might have a chance!

The only useful thing I can think to come out of this is that perhaps other companies with sports talent will concentrate on creating more "alternative sports" titles. Who wouldn't want to see a Blood Bowl come back? <grins>

Frankly, for as much as there's been competition over the years, the difference between the major sports titles has been shruggable, and the desire to try creative alternatives instead of capitalizing on the professional teams has been almost nil.
 
I think I'm going to be sick.... Tommy McClain

I was already sick when the NFL exclusive was signed--and I am a Madden fan.

No matter what Sega does--even if better looking, better animation driven by physics, better career and franchise modes, easier to pick up, more depth, you name it--it wont matter. NFL = Pro Football. The bad part of gamers is now all football innovation must come from one company with no real competition. I really feel bad for all the gamers who preferred the NFL 2k series also. Worse case scenario for EA is they totally drop the ball and football sales decline in general. But they obviously will be adding better graphics and better commentary over the next 4-6 years and the gameplay is already solid, so I do not seem them totally dropping the ball.

My hope is Sega goes for the NCAA (and exclusive?). This will keep them in the Football competition so when the 5 year deal is over, if the NFL opens back up they will be ready. If Sega drops out I will be laughing at the NFL in 2010 when EA no longer has to pay big money for the exclusive. I mean, who else is going to make a killer football game in 2010 if there is no competition over the next 5 years? Top of the line football games are not made in a year or three. It has taken EA and Sega years and years to get where they are now.

Hopefully Sega can get in on the NCAA and maybe do some new stuff. Maybe integrate a fake Pro league into the NCAA so you can follow your players from College to the Pros. Maybe even throw in HS :D That way you can relive your "glory" days in HS, get into college, the Pros, and even a fictitional "Hall of Fame" mode. I am hoping Sega can do something to keep sales high enough to justify remaining in the football competition until the NFL license becomes available again.

Oh well... time to find another favorite sport. Tennis anyone? :)

Ps- How interesting would it be if Sony, MS, or Nintendo were able to buy EA? Money aside (I think EA was said to be worth about $19B), could you imagine what they would do to the console race? Some may question whether that would be a good financial move, but think about it: NFL Exclusive (huge seller), a strong name brand among casual gamers, a wealth of games over a plethora of genres, and a strong distribution base. If Sony/MS/Nin did this they would have the most complete sports lineup and would be totally gutting the competition. They would become the defacto sports console (the PS image of being sports friendly helped it).

Now that would be interesting... and would take the fanboy console arguements to levels not seen before :D
 
Its market capitalization is about there, yes, which basically means its selling price would be a lot higher.

At the moment, EA gains little benefit from being bought out, Nintendo and Sony would have to take extreme pains to get them, Microsoft could but with lots of difficulty swallowing anyway, and in the end all they'll end up with is the government watching over them VERY closely, and perhaps taking steps to prevent any one party from taking too large a chunk of the console pie. (Heck, even EA all by itself is being eyed warily from some areas.)

No, I rather imagine all parties are much happier with the usual "selling to everybody" and "leveraging exclusivity deals" which don't attract nearly as much attention, but if played right can have nearly the same results.
 
MS could really get on the good side of the French Government if they bought out EA and then proceeded to obtain Ubi!
 
Wow, this is a bold move by EA. I know of a few lawyers willing to pick up a case of a new radical lawsuit. There is some small talk of a class action lawsuit against EA but I don't see how it could come up.

This is really scary and I have no clue what SEGA is going to do from here. It looks like they will need to team up with Take Two just for the hell of it if the company is persistant about surviving.
 
15 year contract! :oops:

Is that a new record for the pc gaming industry? I don't think the industry has really even been around that long! :?
 
15 years can't last. Just wait. After half of that is past, something somewhere will go wrong, and one side will get unhappy and start sueing the other. :devilish:
 
passerby said:
15 years can't last. Just wait. After half of that is past, something somewhere will go wrong, and one side will get unhappy and start sueing the other. :devilish:
That's what I'm thinking too, 15 years is just too damned long in this business!

Heck, a 5 year contract seems like a long one in this business....15 is just silly! :?
 
The NFL exclusive contract was a big deal. The one is, "meh."

Really don't think the ESPN name helped sell games. It didn't help with the 2K4 games and for 2K5 games, it was the price cut more than the ESPN name.

ESPN is good for using recognizable personalities in the games as announcers and so on. But that brand name didn't help with some earlier games in the PS1 days.

It could get interesting for Madden, whose endorsement contract is about to run out. So I wouldn't be surprised if EA went another way. But Madden does work for ABC, which is owned by Disney, which also owns ESPN. So they could co-exist too.
 
:( The news was already bad when the NFL agreed to an exclusive deal...all of the blame should certainly be aimed at the NFL, and not so much EA, as any company, if given the chance, would probably go for an exclusive contract. The NFL and the Player Association should get the most hell from people since they've effectively given up any chance for consumers to have choice in the matter.

My solution:

Tecmo, Visual Concepts, and Take Two team up for a reinvention of Tecmo Bowl.
 
cthellis42 said:
Its market capitalization is about there, yes, which basically means its selling price would be a lot higher.

At the moment, EA gains little benefit from being bought out, Nintendo and Sony would have to take extreme pains to get them, Microsoft could but with lots of difficulty swallowing anyway, and in the end all they'll end up with is the government watching over them VERY closely, and perhaps taking steps to prevent any one party from taking too large a chunk of the console pie. (Heck, even EA all by itself is being eyed warily from some areas.)

No, I rather imagine all parties are much happier with the usual "selling to everybody" and "leveraging exclusivity deals" which don't attract nearly as much attention, but if played right can have nearly the same results.

The US government cares about the video game market?

BTW, microsoft seemed to have difficulty picking up rare, I think EA is probably out of the question for them.

Oh, and I think Activision had a 20 year contract with Tony Hawk.
 
wco81 said:
The NFL exclusive contract was a big deal. The one is, "meh."

Really don't think the ESPN name helped sell games. It didn't help with the 2K4 games and for 2K5 games, it was the price cut more than the ESPN name.

I think the ESPN exclusive is less about what it does for EA, but more about what it does to Sega. For football, think of ESPN 2kx as a cow. The NFL deal was like cutting off 3 legs. The ESPN was the cutting off the last leg which Sega had to stand on. They pretty much have NOTHING to compete with in the Pro Football market (which is pretty big).

In the broader scope, this deal cuts out the ESPN license from ESPN NBA 2K also--which most would agree is better than the EA NBA Live series. So this hurts and is bound to cause some confusion when EA puts the "ESPN" label on their NBA games. If you can take part of the name that a competitor has built, well, that is a good thing. A recent example is the new GoldenEye game. I knew people who got excited over it because they liked the N64 GE game... I had to explain it was not made by the same people :(

We can talk about them gaining sales mainly because of the pricecut all we want, but the fact is Sega exposed a LOT of gamers to their franchise and they may have ended up switching to Sega from Madden. We also cannot discount ESPN 2004's influence either as it was a great game (I still prefer Madden). It got great reviews and I am willing to bet that JUST a price drop was not the only factor in better sales. People do play games at their friends house, considering the quality of the game, the high praise for 2004 and 2005, and then the price I think they all played a part.

So when you consider the small, but steady, growth Sega was having with its football sales and the excellent reviews EA had to be concerned. A mistep by EA could have really swung things around (it is hard to take marketshare from an opponent who is not making mistakes unless your product is better by a magnitude). A new gen is at the door--what if Madden drops the ball like they did for the PS? What if Sega had a better next gen product (e.g. they had physics driven animation and EA stuck with the mo-cap)? What if Sega left features in and added some new ones while EA cut features and "started over" like they usually do between gens? What if another year at $20?

As it was Sega was giving EA no breathing room. One off year (they have them, check some review sites) and they could lose momentum in one of their most valuable--and consistantly good selling--franchises. And new gens always have surpises.

These are all great business moves for EA as a company, but I think it hurts consumers. But when big bucks are being talked about, when the little fish catches up to the big fish, well lets just say the big fish has too much to lose.

Btw, I think these moves are just as much EA. We do not have a lot of details on the NFL deal on how it came about specifically (we know the NFL was looking at exclusives, but then again EA could have prompted this by mentioning some big money amounts to make it worth persueing... at one time it was reported to be $1B). But we do know that EA was persueing MLB and the NBA and obviously had a part in the ESPN deal. I think we would need to be a little niave to believe that EA would persue the NBA/MLB and was totally innocent in the NFL issue. Considering they have the PGA, FIFA, and another exclusive, I would say that they actually have a history of seeking these types of agreements. So without knowing more I would not say EA only "took" the offer and never had anything to do with seeking an exclusive. All I know is the NFL is a liar (they specifically denied, and made news agencies retract, statements that there was a deal under way in the spring, which ended up being true).

Oh well, that is big business.

Ps- The ESPN deal has a 10 year option where under certain circumstances the deal can be cut off. Still, 15 years is 3 full generations :oops:
 
EA also have the Nascar exclusive, which stinks, as Papyrus consistently made the better game.
 
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