Does NVIDIA have a R300 board now?
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Nvidia is not supposed to have any R300 boards. If they do, somebody should be in big trouble.Reverend said:
3dcgi said:
I wouldn't, the 3D market is cutthroat. I'd bet that they've had a board in their labs. Or they have a member of the engineering staff from the R300 team now working for them. If I'm thinking of the same thing, your referring to an nVidia comment about a feature being not present/misrepresented in the specs? How else would they know the actual ASIC capabilities and output without testing the chip or knowing this from a front-end engineer?
I highly doubt you can tell spec diffrenced from seeing a demo at SIGGRAPH... kinda like claiming to know the polygon count of a level by seeing a screenshot - good luck
To think that the IHVs doesn't have extensive knowledge is ignorance. Rev, how much <doctor evil quation gesture> "NDA" information did members of this board have from 3dfx? I rest my case.
OpenGL guy, regarding your first sentence... well, DUH!
Vince, NDA info being "leaked" is very, very different from video cards being "leaked".
The latest revision of NVIDIA's CineFX presentation (not the same one as publicly available on NVIDIA's site... or at least not the same one as on NVIDIA's site the last time I checked) contains references as well as comparisons with the R300. This is the reason for this thread. Are the figures/specs of the R300 as contained in this latest CineFX presentation based on what ATi offers to the public or...? Someone d/l the two latest CineFX papers at NVIDIA's website (one of them, the bigger one, appears to be called CineFX_final.pdf or something similar as of now) and tell me if the R300 is mentioned anywhere on either of the two papers (I'm on dial-up, the first paper is 7+MB and I don't have the time right now).
Vince, NDA info being "leaked" is very, very different from video cards being "leaked".
The latest revision of NVIDIA's CineFX presentation (not the same one as publicly available on NVIDIA's site... or at least not the same one as on NVIDIA's site the last time I checked) contains references as well as comparisons with the R300. This is the reason for this thread. Are the figures/specs of the R300 as contained in this latest CineFX presentation based on what ATi offers to the public or...? Someone d/l the two latest CineFX papers at NVIDIA's website (one of them, the bigger one, appears to be called CineFX_final.pdf or something similar as of now) and tell me if the R300 is mentioned anywhere on either of the two papers (I'm on dial-up, the first paper is 7+MB and I don't have the time right now).
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I saw nothing that didn't seem public knowledge, as far as R300 is concerned.
(Just to drag other threads into this one )
But I thought having an employee of a competing IHV getting a card a few weeks ahead of time wouldn't be a problem? I mean, what kind of information could they get out of it?
)But I thought having an employee of a competing IHV getting a card a few weeks ahead of time wouldn't be a problem? I mean, what kind of information could they get out of it?
Reverend said:
Do you mean the one talked about here -
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=28656&highlight=#28656 ?
Has several direct comparasons between the r300 and the nv30.
It was up for ~1 day (at developer.nvidia.com), on July 31st, with 'nVidia Confidential' stamped on every frame (thought that part was a joke until they took down the paper ;p). I saved it to disk before it went down.
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Oh, they didn't take it down, they renamed it to the 'CineFX_1-final.pdf' that you mentioned. .. And they removed all the really interesting stuff about programmable AA, OpenGl 2.0 support and the like ;p
I'm sure nVidia have, or at least have had a play with R300. With samples all over the place i'm sure some *dodgy* deals must have been going on. I know for a fact IHV's and Chip manufacturers swap hardware products. Further you get contacts in one company talking to some other guy (who may work for an IHV) who knows someone at a rival company, etc. etc.
These companies swap staff (especially temps) all the time. I'm sure one is totally aware of what the other one is doing, even if the spread of information is via idle talk between Engs over lunch. I know of at least one ex-ATi employee working at nVidia for an ex-ATi boss.
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There is a chance that they have one now, because at Siggraph there was a presentations of the now famous paper regarding raytracing accelerated by programmable graphics hardware.
One of the presenters was from NVidia, I think, so they were given a R300 in exchange for the publicity that it would bring to ATI. I'm pretty sure NVidia didn't get one earlier, though. Of course, I could be mistaken about anything I said in this post.
In any case, it wouldn't be that big of a deal if NVidia did get an R300, because they can't counter it with anything right now. With the 8500, it was very different. I read somewhere that they did get the 8500 before it was released, and so they were able to tune their new Det4 drivers to prevent the 8500 from blowing them away. I don't see anything of the sort happening this time.
One of the presenters was from NVidia, I think, so they were given a R300 in exchange for the publicity that it would bring to ATI. I'm pretty sure NVidia didn't get one earlier, though. Of course, I could be mistaken about anything I said in this post.
In any case, it wouldn't be that big of a deal if NVidia did get an R300, because they can't counter it with anything right now. With the 8500, it was very different. I read somewhere that they did get the 8500 before it was released, and so they were able to tune their new Det4 drivers to prevent the 8500 from blowing them away. I don't see anything of the sort happening this time.
Ty said:
I hear alpha-chi broke into the deans office and left a dead horse.
Oh, wait...that was a movie.
(BTW, congratulations. You're now the source of a new rumor about NVIDIA employees stealing a competitors board. Aren't you proud?)
(Finally, to make sure nobody's feelings get hurt, I'm poking fun at 1) baseless accusations, even though they're couched in hesitation, and 2) Web journalists willing to take any written word as a scoop, and 3) Fanatics who are willing to believe anything as gospel truth if it furthers their cause, because you know SOMEBODY's going to believe this as true)
Hmm... i don't know... is it a good thing that people thing the Beyond3D forums are a good source of reliable information about 3D Hardware?
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Matt Burris
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I can just see the new Inquirer headline after they see this thread: "Graphzilla steals R300 and dissects it to win the graphics war"