D9P/G94: 9600 GT on 19th of February

INKster said:
Well, if the 9600 GT is a "band aid" to last a whole year and fight off the HD3850, then what would you call to the 8800 GS 384MB/192 bit, or even the 8800 GT 256MB versions with slower memory ? :rolleyes:
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I call that 2 card as low margin SKU's, this cards fighting against HD3850 until 9600GT arrive.
HD3850 is clearly the winner now in this segment and can stay on top at least until 9600gt coming out in mid february.
 
Sound_Card said:
I would call those better band aids. Just not economically efficient enough. Very much how ATi had to use the 1800gto to fight the 7600. Plain and simple, the HD 3850 is just more flexible all around. They are using 512mb SKU's to target the 8800GT 256mb, and they putting major pressure on top of the 8600 and soon to be 9600 by just plainly being much faster for a pinch more.

The HD 3850 seems to have punched NV right in the gut. I was only merly trying to point from what you said that the 9600gt is going to stand alone un disturbed. The HD 3850 is just too close to make that kind of call.
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I think quite a lot websites have reached the verdict by now that RV670 arrived earlier than many thought or would had wished for. Any intermediate SKUs NV released or will release to counter HD3870 & HD3850 are merely a logical reaction since they obviously can. I personally don't have a clue if G94 is meant only for one or more SKUs; if it's more than one AMD will urgently need something in between the 3850 and the 3650. It's not only disadvantages for both sides obviously.

RV670 was most certainly a tool for a brilliant uptake for AMD; NVIDIA on the other hand won't sit still and I have that gut feeling that 2008 will be a far more interesting year than the utterly boring 2007.
 
Ailuros said:
II personally don't have a clue if G94 is meant only for one or more SKUs; if it's more than one AMD will urgently need something in between the 3850 and the 3650. It's not only disadvantages for both sides obviously.
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Agreed. rv670 though seems to me like it could compete with any offerings based on G94. People here seem to assume 9600GT will be cheaper than a hd3850, and maybe it is, but it doesn't look to me like that's because it's cheaper to produce. Die size seems to be roughly the same, and even though rv670 uses a 55nm process it's probably only very slightly more expensive. Board complexity (with both using 256bit memory interfaces) and thus cost should also be similar, while actually the 3850 having an advantage in cost of ram chips (since 9600GT seems to use faster gddr3 ram for some odd reason I still don't understand). Selling rv670 with 1 deactivated/defective shader array definitely sounds like a possibility if there is some lower-performance (with just slower clocks ? 128bit ram?) G94 based part to compete with (and there would still be room for that HD3670, but I fail to see how that could compete with any card based on G94).
 
mczak said:
People here seem to assume 9600GT will be cheaper than a hd3850, and maybe it is.
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Last thing I heard NV set a price of $169-189 for the 9600GT.

If all goes like usual, it will be similarly priced in euros over here, so that's €169-189. And today I just found a shop that has the HD3870 for €159,95.
 
CJ said:
Last thing I heard NV set a price of $169-189 for the 9600GT.

If all goes like usual, it will be similarly priced in euros over here, so that's €169-189. And today I just found a shop that has the HD3870 for €159,95.
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What should be a mistake or a short offer.;)

But since I think 9600 GT will be have a better availability than 8800 GT, the prices should be below €169-189. Or had cost a 8800 GTS 640 399€, while the MSRP was at $399?
And not forget about price-war against HD3850...
 
What's the likelihood of another 9600, sitting below the GT ?

After all, there were two different Geforce 8600's, which didn't even share the same PCB, among other things...
 
INKster said:
What's the likelihood of another 9600, sitting below the GT ?

After all, there were two different Geforce 8600's, which didn't even share the same PCB, among other things...
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That's exactly what I'm thinking of; hence my thoughts that AMD might need something for the field in between 3850 and 3650.
 
CJ said:
Last thing I heard NV set a price of $169-189 for the 9600GT.

If all goes like usual, it will be similarly priced in euros over here, so that's €169-189. And today I just found a shop that has the HD3870 for €159,95.
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Possible last minute price adjustments from NV for G94? I'd estimate roughly around 3850 performance.
 
INKster said:
What's the likelihood of another 9600, sitting below the GT ?

After all, there were two different Geforce 8600's, which didn't even share the same PCB, among other things...
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There is a D9P-20 and a D9P-10. I believe the GT is the D9P-20 (but I'm not sure about that). But if true, the D9P-10 could be a lower clocked 9600.
 
Ailuros said:
Possible last minute price adjustments from NV for G94? I'd estimate roughly around 3850 performance.
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Rumors i read before suggest 179$ MSRP, so no adjusment there, 9600GT is competative product 3 months later (yeah weird NV can be late too) against hd3850.
9600gt can be very close to hd3870 with 4xaa 16xaf at mainstream resolution and the card has reference 512mb memory what is helping at DX10 already at mainstream (1280x1024, 1440x900) resolutions against hd3850256mb, 512mb hd3850 start at 189$ on newegg.
 
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vertex_shader said:
Here 160euro price far far away, so its just really one shop with that great price and no more.
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Geizhals isn't the end all be all you know. ;)

Maybe I should also mention that the 159,95 HD3870 is a custom design from PEAK which uses the shorter PCB. I've heard many AIBs complain about the ATI reference design. Various AIBs had their own cheaper and more efficient PCB ready-to-go. They were just waiting for the GPUs. And I think that's what we're seeing here... cheaper custom HD3870s.

And the cheapest HD3850 costs around €140. That's still cheaper than the targeted 9600GT price (unless they change it at last minute) with similar performance and more features.
 
Geizhals prices include taxes (16-19% in Austria-Germany).
MSRP in dollars usually don't.
And CJ, if I understand which shop you are talking about, it includes taxes too but is a very good price (not really the average one, I think).

(anyway, here in Italy there are shops selling HD3850s at less than 150€ taxes included, and with 180€ t.i. you can get away with a HD3870)

I think however the 9600s will not have a straight 1:1 $:€ conversion, I think they will sell for about 150€ in the average.
 
CJ said:
And the cheapest HD3850 costs around €140. That's still cheaper than the targeted 9600GT price (unless they change it at last minute) with similar performance and more features.
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Thats the 256mb version, 9600gt come with 512mb memory, 512mb hd3850 is at the 160euro zone.
 
CJ said:
There is a D9P-20 and a D9P-10. I believe the GT is the D9P-20 (but I'm not sure about that). But if true, the D9P-10 could be a lower clocked 9600.
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If it was named D9P-20 wouldn't that suggest that the 9600GT was based on the G92 core?

I believe the 9600GT is the D9M.

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Note here theres the D9M-40(9600GTS?), D9M-30(9600GT?), D9M-20(9500GT) and D9M-10(?).
 
D9P is G94 (4 clusters), which is the 9600 Series. D9M aka G96 (2 clusters) will likely be part of the 9500 Series and/or below.
 
EDIT: Ah, link seems to work now. Still not very clear though; does that first paragraph hint at February too, or is that only about G94? Bah. And that memory range doesn't make a lot of sense either.
 
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