Crossfire with two master cards an issue?

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As the title suggests, not that it hasn't been covered before, but I can't recall seeing it anywhere. So will this be a problem? It would seem to me it would make more sense for a high end, high dollar, limited qty SKU (aka X1800XTs) should ALL be master cards to eliminate any further confusion. Especially considering the PWBs are identical and the compositing FPGA, some TMDS tranceivers, and some passives as no pops being the only differences. The dongle pack-in being the only additional out of the box addition as well.

If there is no functional reason they can't work, the added cost should be small. The dongle (like this molex 887-6853-00, but with male DVIs) should be only a few dollars in qty, the silicon image parts should also be cheap, with the compositing chip dominating the overall cost assuming it's an FPGA instead of an ASIC. As a side note, I am hopefully assuming one of the crossfire delay issues was an ASIC spin of the compositing engine. The point being aren't the margins on the highest end SKU enough to absorb all of this? Why do they (assuming they are) need to make YET ANOTHER SKU for Master cards on the top end?

My current worst case scenario is that come the first week of Oct. the r520 crossfire will be enticing enough to purchase over an SLI setup. However, there will be no 520s, slave cards mind you (err - assuming we are still allowed to use master/slave terminology in the US), for 3 weeks after that. THEN, in addition it'll be another 2-3 weeks till we see any master cards. On top of that, the qty will be so limited that it'll be nothing but ass raping preorder city again (yes I have an x800xt pe from it's launch :)) with so much SKU confusion amongst the vendors that it will be damn near impossible to be certain you are even (pre)ordering a master card.

Can someone with more sense than I, please convince me the above situation will not occur? I have been sitting on this new PC budget for months and it appears the writting is on the wall for a complete mess for me come mid to later Nov. I have a feeling that the release 80 drivers from nv are going to put me on the fence as well, with this possibility of a delayed 520 purchasing nightmare not helping.
 
I haven't tired this so don't know for a fact, but there's not obvious reason why two master cards wouldnt work. After all, the slave card need only be capable of outputting a conventional DVI signal - and a mastercard can do that.
 
It doesn't work, at least with the way the current driver works and IDs the master, before setting that board up with Crossfire mode. Was pretty much the first configuration I tried :devilish:
 
Would there be any technical reasons why it shouldn't work if they intended it to? as caboosemoose said it doesn't appear to, so they should go and 'fix' it, unless there's a marketing-comercial reason for doing that ¿?
 
Karma said:
Why would a person buy two master cards?

It's not that I would buy two master cards, the point is why even make two different cards on such a supply limited, high margin product to begin with.

So not only will I have to wait for r520 slave cards to come out 3 weeks after "launch", I'll have to wait another 3 weeks for master cards on top of that.
 
101 said:
It's not that I would buy two master cards, the point is why even make two different cards on such a supply limited, high margin product to begin with.

So not only will I have to wait for r520 slave cards to come out 3 weeks after "launch", I'll have to wait another 3 weeks for master cards on top of that.

Why do you think you'll be waiting that long after launch? I havent heard anything suggesting that the R520 based cards will be a paper launch. In fact I dont see that as possible with Nvidia doing hard launchs so far on all of the 7800 cards.
 
101 said:
It's not that I would buy two master cards, the point is why even make two different cards on such a supply limited, high margin product to begin with.

So not only will I have to wait for r520 slave cards to come out 3 weeks after "launch", I'll have to wait another 3 weeks for master cards on top of that.


I really do tire of this whole two-card thang, IMHO it's w*** anyway. You really would be wasting your money - you're much better off buying a single R520 or G70 today, and then an R580 or G75 or whatever to replace it in six months etc.
 
Also,with its stupid limitation Crossfire is either limited to current 17 to 21" LCDs, or to my five year old 17" CRT which would almost exactly use all its 165MHz video bandwith.
 
Have we had any confirmation that the AIWs (e.g. the new AIW X800XL) can work in a Crossfire setup?
 
Blazkowicz_ said:
Also,with its stupid limitation Crossfire is either limited to current 17 to 21" LCDs, or to my five year old 17" CRT which would almost exactly use all its 165MHz video bandwith.

Not a limitation on R520 Crossfire.
 
MuFu said:
Have we had any confirmation that the AIWs (e.g. the new AIW X800XL) can work in a Crossfire setup?
3D capabilities will work, but AFAIK TV display is lost. They have to do some work to get the overlay to go to the Crossfire card, which is in charge of the display.
 
Dave Baumann said:
3D capabilities will work, but AFAIK TV display is lost. They have to do some work to get the overlay to go to the Crossfire card, which is in charge of the display.
Can this be done in drivers or will it need a hardware redesign?
 
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